{"id":11955,"date":"2007-12-23T09:38:04","date_gmt":"2007-12-23T16:38:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2007\/12\/23\/the-more-things-change-8.html"},"modified":"2007-12-23T09:38:04","modified_gmt":"2007-12-23T16:38:04","slug":"the_more_things_change_8","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2007\/12\/23\/the_more_things_change_8.html","title":{"rendered":"The more things change …"},"content":{"rendered":"

Recently declassified papers indicate that in 1950, days after the Korean War started, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover pushed forward a plan<\/a> to declare an emergency, suspend habeas corpus<\/em>, and imprison 12,000 people from his “little list.”<\/p>\n

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Hoover wanted President Harry S. Truman to proclaim the mass arrests necessary to \u201cprotect the country against treason, espionage and sabotage.\u201d The F.B.I would \u201capprehend all individuals potentially dangerous\u201d to national security, Hoover\u2019s proposal said. The arrests would be carried out under \u201ca master warrant attached to a list of names\u201d provided by the bureau.<\/p>\n

The names were part of an index that Hoover had been compiling for years. \u201cThe index now contains approximately twelve thousand individuals, of which approximately ninety-seven per cent are citizens of the United States,\u201d he wrote. \u201cIn order to make effective these apprehensions, the proclamation suspends the Writ of Habeas Corpus,\u201d it said.<\/p>\n

[…] Hoover\u2019s plan called for \u201cthe permanent detention\u201d of the roughly 12,000 suspects at military bases as well as in federal prisons. The F.B.I., he said, had found that the arrests it proposed in New York and California would cause the prisons there to overflow. So the bureau had arranged for \u201cdetention in military facilities of the individuals apprehended\u201d in those states, he wrote.<\/p>\n

The prisoners eventually would have had a right to a hearing under the Hoover plan. The hearing board would have been a panel made up of one judge and two citizens. But the hearings \u201cwill not be bound by the rules of evidence,\u201d his letter noted.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Of course, it’s worth noting, as the article does, that this wasn’t purely a Hoover scheme.<\/p>\n

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In September 1950, Congress passed and the president signed a law authorizing the detention of \u201cdangerous radicals\u201d if the president declared a national emergency. Truman did declare such an emergency in December 1950, after China entered the Korean War. But no known evidence suggests he or any other president approved any part of Hoover\u2019s proposal.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

In a time of war, any government’s going to have some sort of contingency plan of this sort drawn up.  It will be interesting to find out — in fifty or sixty years — what sort of post-9\/11 things the Bush Administration decided not<\/em> to attempt, along with all the things it did do. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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