{"id":12332,"date":"2008-05-28T09:47:15","date_gmt":"2008-05-28T16:47:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2008\/05\/28\/so-much-for-all-those-csi-and-law-order-episodes.html"},"modified":"2008-05-28T09:47:15","modified_gmt":"2008-05-28T16:47:15","slug":"so_much_for_all_those_csi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2008\/05\/28\/so_much_for_all_those_csi.html","title":{"rendered":"So much for all those <i>CSI<\/i> and <i>Law &#038; Order<\/i> episodes &#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Everyone knows that eye-witness testimony is highly dubious in court, and what you really want is some hard and fast forensic evidence, tested at the police lab, demonstrating with scientific accuracy who the guilty party is.<\/p>\n<p>Or &#8230; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.forbes.com\/forbes\/2008\/0602\/038.html\" target=\"_blank\">maybe not<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"lingo_region\" id=\"lingo_span\"><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span class=\"lingo_region\" id=\"lingo_span\"><\/p>\n<p>Instead, to judge by the most comprehensive study on the reliability of forensic evidence to date, the error rate is more than 10% in five categories of analysis, including fiber, paint and body fluids. (Meaning: When the expert says specimen X matches source Y, there&#8217;s a 10% probability he&#8217;s wrong.) DNA and fingerprints are more reliable but still not foolproof. The 1995 study, in the <i>Journal of Forensic Sciences<\/i>, looked at proficiency tests labs take to see whether their work is sound.<\/p>\n<p>More recent studies have also shown problems. Though a 2005 study in the <i>Journal of Criminal Law &amp; Criminology<\/i> suggests a fingerprint false-positive rate a bit below 1%, a widely read 2006 experiment shows an alarming 4% false-positive rate.<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The article recommends lab competition and privatization. I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s quite the right way to go &#8212; but I do recall from my environmental remediation days that we had a wide array of lab validation techniques: splitting samples for separate testing, sending in dummy samples of known quantities, using secondary labs for confirmation, etc.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Granted, crime scene evidence isn&#8217;t exactly like soil samples, and some evidence is so scant or unitary that it wouldn&#8217;t allow for easy splitting or reconfirmation. But there&#8217;s a lot you could do to test in a lot of cases, and to improve the quality of the results. Lives &#8212; innocent and guilty alike &#8212; can be at stake.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Everyone knows that eye-witness testimony is highly dubious in court, and what you really want is some hard and fast forensic evidence, tested at the police lab, demonstrating with scientific&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[9,6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-12332","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics-law","category-science"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":5870,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2004\/07\/07\/busted.html","url_meta":{"origin":12332,"position":0},"title":"Busted","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 7-Jul-04 6:32pm","format":false,"excerpt":"The mills of the gods grind slowly -- especially in cases that require forensic accounting and nailing folks at a lower level who can turn state's evidence -- but the...","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Politics &amp; Law&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Politics &amp; Law","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/politics-law"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":27424,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/04\/17\/lets-enhance.html","url_meta":{"origin":12332,"position":1},"title":"&quot;Let&#39;s enhance &#8230;&quot;","author":"***Dave","date":"Tue 17-Apr-12 9:03am","format":false,"excerpt":"While forensic evidence tends to be much more reliable than eyewitness testimony (really), it's still subject to an array of variables, both human (who measured things and how, who interpreted the results and with what expectations) and non- (actual technical limitations of equipment and the tests themselves). 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