{"id":12381,"date":"2008-05-16T13:31:01","date_gmt":"2008-05-16T20:31:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2008\/05\/16\/still-more-on-the-california-gay-marriage-rulling.html"},"modified":"2014-11-05T14:05:41","modified_gmt":"2014-11-05T21:05:41","slug":"still_more_on_the_califor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2008\/05\/16\/still_more_on_the_califor.html","title":{"rendered":"Still more on the California gay marriage rulling"},"content":{"rendered":"
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From the “other” side: Pam’s House Blend:: Freeper, fundie heads exploding over CA marriage ruling<\/a> <\/p>\n

No, I won’t repeat any of it here, but … well, when you listen to some of the comments, it makes me happy for the decision all the more, if only to lead to more exploding heads.<\/p>\n

Well, I will <\/em>say a couple of things:<\/p>\n

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  1. The basis for the decision, in the face of the previously (eight years ago) initiative law voted in by the populace, was that the populace and their representatives had crafted a body of law regarding domestic partnerships that was close to marriage already, save for the name. Except that it couldn’t be called that. Except the justices decided that <\/em>was discriminatory.<\/li>\n
  2. Despite all the rhetoric of “every child deserves and needs a mother and father,” a different ruling would have done nothing regarding California child custody laws.<\/li>\n
  3. It is, in fact, one of the most important jobs of high courts to stand up to the will of the people when that will, in law, is not in keeping with the (state or federal) constitution. That can be irksome. That can also be a critical protection of your rights, too. Idjits.<\/li>\n
  4. I don’t insist on knowing and approving everything you do in your bedroom. I do insist you show similar courtesy to others. I didn’t ask your permission to enter into a committed relationship with someone I love; ditto on the insistence of similar courtesy.<\/li>\n
  5. Oh, and, that whole “marriage is dooooooomed!” thing? Here’s what I think<\/a>.<\/ol>\n

    (via Les)<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

    From the “other” side: Pam’s House Blend:: Freeper, fundie heads exploding over CA marriage ruling  No, I won’t repeat any of it here, but … well, when you listen…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[25,718,9,8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-12381","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-gay-stuff","category-marriage-equality","category-politics-law","category-zt-pc"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":51511,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/06\/18\/civil-rights-are-shouldnt-be-up-to-the-democratic-process.html","url_meta":{"origin":12381,"position":0},"title":"Civil Rights are shouldn't be up to the democratic process","author":"***Dave","date":"Thu 18-Jun-15 2:36pm","format":false,"excerpt":"I mean, yeah, it's nice when civil right recognition happens organically, and people recognize the value of human beings of various types and protect their \"life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.\"But people can be balky. 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