{"id":12594,"date":"2008-03-14T18:44:28","date_gmt":"2008-03-15T01:44:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2008\/03\/14\/maybe-those-atheists-have-something-at-that.html"},"modified":"2008-03-14T18:44:28","modified_gmt":"2008-03-15T01:44:28","slug":"maybe_those_atheists_have","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2008\/03\/14\/maybe_those_atheists_have.html","title":{"rendered":"Maybe those atheists have something at that"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>If there&#8217;s one lesson coming from this year&#8217;s presidential campaign, it&#8217;s beware of the religious nutjobs you have lining up on your side.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>For John McCain, there&#8217;s been the, ah, cognitive dissonance between his 2000 accusation of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell being &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/transcripts.cnn.com\/TRANSCRIPTS\/0002\/28\/se.01.html\" target=\"_blank\">agents of intolerance<\/a>&#8221; and his uncritical, more open <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pfaw.org\/pfaw\/general\/default.aspx?oid=25053\" target=\"_blank\">courting of the Religious Right<\/a>&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com\/archives\/8313.html\" target=\"_blank\">this time around<\/a>&nbsp;&#8212; which has led to further conflicts as he accepted (even courted), then had to tepidly distance himself (&#8220;just because they support me doesn&#8217;t mean I support all their positions&#8221;) from , support by folks like <a href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/opinion\/greenwald\/2008\/02\/28\/hagee\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\">John Hagee<\/a>&nbsp;(anti-gay, anti-Islam, anti-Catholic, whose endorsement McCain was &#8220;very proud&#8221; to get) and&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.motherjones.com\/washington_dispatch\/2008\/03\/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html\" target=\"_blank\">Ron Parsley<\/a> (McCain&#8217;s &#8220;spiritual guide&#8221; and holy warrior against Islam)<\/p>\n<p>On Barack Obama&#8217;s side, we have the <a href=\"http:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/Nightline\/story?id=2937953\" target=\"_blank\">Louis Farrakhan thing<\/a> (though Obama never actually sought out Farrakhan&#8217;s support, and quickly <a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/barack-obama\/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html\" target=\"_blank\">quickly repudiated<\/a> Farrakhan&#8217;s anti-semitism and racism), and, tied into that, the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.timesonline.co.uk\/tol\/news\/world\/us_and_americas\/us_elections\/article3555561.ece\" target=\"_blank\">Jeremiah Wright<\/a> thing (which Obama has also <a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/barack-obama\/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html\" target=\"_blank\">quickly repudiated<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not aware offhand if there are any religious nuts supporting Hillary Clinton, but if she gets the nomination, I&#8217;m sure someone will dig some up.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll confess that in the above analysis, I am cutting Obama more slack than McCain.&nbsp; Part of that may be my partisanship. But part of it is that McCain has actively sought the support of religious nuts, and failed to directly address what aspects (if any) of their worldview he rejects, while Obama has not sought such support, and has been directly forthcoming in rejecting positions of hatred and divisiveness. Throw in that McCain has gone from iconoclast to brown-noser, and I definitely have to give Obama the &#8220;win&#8221; in this particular kerfuffle.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If there&#8217;s one lesson coming from this year&#8217;s presidential campaign, it&#8217;s beware of the religious nutjobs you have lining up on your side.&nbsp; For John McCain, there&#8217;s been the, ah,&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[54,27,8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-12594","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-elections-2008","category-religion","category-zt-pc"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":5446,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2004\/03\/10\/money_finds_a_w.html","url_meta":{"origin":12594,"position":0},"title":"Money finds a way","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 10-Mar-04 8:14am","format":false,"excerpt":"Because, remember: campaign finance law will make politics more transparent, more accountable, and less costly. 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