{"id":128350,"date":"2015-10-19T16:33:11","date_gmt":"2015-10-19T22:33:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/10\/19\/the-only-time-the-government-is-willing-to-restrain-surveillance.html"},"modified":"2015-10-22T12:20:27","modified_gmt":"2015-10-22T18:20:27","slug":"the-only-time-the-government-is-willing-to-restrain-surveillance","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/10\/19\/the-only-time-the-government-is-willing-to-restrain-surveillance.html","title":{"rendered":"The only time the government is willing to restrain surveillance"},"content":{"rendered":"

… is when it discovers that it, too, is being surveilled.<\/p>\n

After nearly 50 years of (perhaps naively, perhaps with an understanding that it would be naive to be) relying on assurances from the Prime Minister's office that Members of Parliament would not be monitored by internal security (GCHQ) — first with phone taps, later with other electronic surveillance — it's now been admitted that …<\/p>\n

… well, no, they are subject to being treated as any other British citizen. Which is not, it seems, reassuring to them.<\/p>\n

'No 10 welcomed the court ruling and denied that the Wilson doctrine had misled MPs by giving the impression that their phone and email exchanges were protected from the British security services when in reality they were not. It insisted that the intelligence services understood they could only use their powers to tap phones in a proportionate way, and there were safeguards in place.'<\/i><\/p>\n

Ah, "proportionate" phone taps. With "safeguards." Can't imagine why that has some MPs' feathers ruffled.<\/p>\n

Will this actually cause Parliament to try and rope in the surveillance apparat<\/i> in the UK? Or simply to try and create a legislated escape clause for themselves? I know which way I'd bet.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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\nUK MPs learn that GCHQ can spy on them, too, so now we may get a debate on surveillance<\/a><\/span>
\nIn 1966, UK Prime Minister Harold Wilson told MPs that the UK spy agencies weren’t allowed to tap their phones and that if that changed, he’d tell them about it first. In 1997, Prime Minister Tony …\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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… is when it discovers that it, too, is being surveilled. After nearly 50 years of (perhaps naively, perhaps with an understanding that it would be naive to be) relying on assurances from the Prime Minister's office that Members of Parliament would not be monitored by internal security (GCHQ) — first with phone taps, later … Continue reading “The only time the government is willing to restrain surveillance”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,132],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-128350","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts","category-privacy"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":128742,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/11\/11\/reveal-a-back-door-go-to-prison.html","url_meta":{"origin":128350,"position":0},"title":"Reveal a back door, go to prison","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 11-Nov-15 3:13pm","format":false,"excerpt":"UK's proposed new \"security\" bill not only allows secret demands for back doors to be built into any software system (back doors that the government assures everyone will only ever be used for the best and most benign purposes, and will never, ever, ever be found or exploited by the\u2026","rel":"","context":"In "~PlusPosts"","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":133208,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/04\/04\/all-you-need-to-know-about-how-incidental-surveillance-works.html","url_meta":{"origin":128350,"position":1},"title":"All you need to know about how "incidental surveillance" works","author":"***Dave","date":"Tue 4-Apr-17 1:59pm","format":false,"excerpt":"Jim Wright, who's actually done intelligence work, provides an informative primer on phone intercepts, FISA, incidental surveillance, and what Trump's been babbling about recently.http:\/\/www.stonekettle.com\/2017\/04\/unpresidented.htmlIt is, as usual, a good read. \u00a0 View on Google+","rel":"","context":"In "~PlusPosts"","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/04\/Trump%2Btweet%2Bunprecedented.PNGimgmax%3D660.png?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/04\/Trump%2Btweet%2Bunprecedented.PNGimgmax%3D660.png?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/04\/Trump%2Btweet%2Bunprecedented.PNGimgmax%3D660.png?resize=525%2C300&ssl=1 1.5x"},"classes":[]},{"id":130654,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2016\/05\/13\/surveillance-for-thee-but-not-for-me.html","url_meta":{"origin":128350,"position":2},"title":"Surveillance for Thee but not for Me","author":"***Dave","date":"Fri 13-May-16 6:58pm","format":false,"excerpt":"The Director of the FBI basically says that encryption is primarily used by people who have something to hide, i.e., criminals and terrorists ... but cops shouldn't be filmed by civilians because it keeps them from doing their jobs.Yeesh. 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