{"id":128820,"date":"2015-11-16T01:06:25","date_gmt":"2015-11-16T08:06:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/11\/16\/the-not-so-religious-fanatics-of-daesh.html"},"modified":"2015-11-16T09:18:26","modified_gmt":"2015-11-16T16:18:26","slug":"the-not-so-religious-fanatics-of-daesh","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/11\/16\/the-not-so-religious-fanatics-of-daesh.html","title":{"rendered":"The not-so-religious fanatics of Da’esh"},"content":{"rendered":"

(Or ISIS \/ ISIL \/ etc.)<\/p>\n

Actually, reading these account of interviews with captured and convicted Da'esh fighters, I was reminded most of what I read about entry into gangs.<\/p>\n

'They are children of the occupation, many with missing fathers at crucial periods (through jail, death from execution, or fighting in the insurgency), filled with rage against America and their own government. They are not fueled by the idea of an Islamic caliphate without borders; rather, ISIS is the first group since the crushed Al Qaeda to offer these humiliated and enraged young men a way to defend their dignity, family, and tribe. This is not radicalization to the ISIS way of life, but the promise of a way out of their insecure and undignified lives; the promise of living in pride as Iraqi Sunni Arabs, which is not just a religious identity but cultural, tribal, and land-based, too.'<\/i><\/p>\n

Similarly, gang members — economically destitute, often lacking fathers, join gangs (in the neighborhood or in prison) as a means of identity, of security, of pride.<\/p>\n

(For that matter, it reminds me of profiles of IRA members, back during the Troubles there.)<\/p>\n

Which doesn't mean that they don't need to be dealt with to end the barbarity and death they both serve and deal out, but portraying them all as religious fanatics, let alone as representatives of their particular faith, seems a fatally flawed approach — and if we want to prevent the next<\/i> generation of people flocking to similar banners, we should consider what do to about the root causes, vs. a simplistic "kill them all" approach.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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\nWhat I Discovered From Interviewing Imprisoned ISIS Fighters<\/a><\/span>
\nThey’re drawn to the movement for reasons that have little to do with belief in extremist Islam.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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(Or ISIS \/ ISIL \/ etc.) Actually, reading these account of interviews with captured and convicted Da'esh fighters, I was reminded most of what I read about entry into gangs. 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