{"id":131113,"date":"2016-07-18T11:03:27","date_gmt":"2016-07-18T17:03:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2016\/07\/18\/drone-strikes-for-me-but-not-for-thee.html"},"modified":"2016-07-18T11:03:27","modified_gmt":"2016-07-18T17:03:27","slug":"drone-strikes-for-me-but-not-for-thee","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2016\/07\/18\/drone-strikes-for-me-but-not-for-thee.html","title":{"rendered":"Drone strikes for me, but not for thee"},"content":{"rendered":"

Since the government of Turkey is claiming that someone within the US is a threat to their national security, a leader in efforts to overthrow the Turkish government, and an all-around bad guy …<\/p>\n

… and since they have requested extradition of this person to Turkey, and the US has refused without more evidence …<\/p>\n

… would Turkey be justified, based on US actions in the past, in either blowing up the person with a drone strike, or sending in a covert assault team to kidnap him?<\/p>\n

It's hard for me to think of a reason why they would not be, again, based on what the US has done with drone strikes and extrajudicial kidnappings. And that's precisely why such things extremely dangerous for us to do.<\/p>\n

I doubt Turkey will actually do such a thing, but more because of fear of retaliation rather than concern over international law. But that just reinforces the idea that "might makes right," a principle that the US is loath to state as public policy.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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\nWould Turkey be justified in kidnapping or drone-killing the Turkish cleric in Pennsylvania?<\/a><\/span>
\nAmerican Exceptionalism in its purest embodiment: the U.S. is not subject to the same rules and laws as other nations.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Since the government of Turkey is claiming that someone within the US is a threat to their national security, a leader in efforts to overthrow the Turkish government, and an all-around bad guy … … and since they have requested extradition of this person to Turkey, and the US has refused without more evidence … … Continue reading “Drone strikes for me, but not for thee”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-131113","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":50179,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/04\/27\/some-drone-victims-are-more-equal-than-others.html","url_meta":{"origin":131113,"position":0},"title":"Some drone victims are more equal than others","author":"***Dave","date":"Mon 27-Apr-15 2:26pm","format":false,"excerpt":"The politicians and pundits wringing their hands over the drone strike death of an Italian and an American hostage are intentionally ignoring the fact that we know drone strikes have killed innocent bystanders before, but the citizenry of the United States (at least) doesn't seem to much care when it's\u2026","rel":"","context":"In "~PlusPosts"","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":41858,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/04\/29\/secret-drone-strike-man.html","url_meta":{"origin":131113,"position":1},"title":"Secret Drone Strike Man","author":"***Dave","date":"Tue 29-Apr-14 1:26pm","format":false,"excerpt":"The Senate yanked a provision to the intelligence funding bill that would have required the administration report on target and non-target casualties from drone strikes. \u00a0They did so after being promised with a very sincere pinky swear from James Clapper, the DNI, that they will Real Soon Now come up\u2026","rel":"","context":"In "~PlusPosts"","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":31536,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/11\/28\/send-in-the-drones.html","url_meta":{"origin":131113,"position":2},"title":"Send in the Drones","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 28-Nov-12 2:16pm","format":false,"excerpt":"But as long as it just keeps happening Over There and doesn't risk the lives of any of Our Troops, I don't expect the American public will get too upset. 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