{"id":131216,"date":"2016-08-07T14:22:48","date_gmt":"2016-08-07T20:22:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2016\/08\/07\/on-protest-votes.html"},"modified":"2016-08-07T14:22:48","modified_gmt":"2016-08-07T20:22:48","slug":"on-protest-votes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2016\/08\/07\/on-protest-votes.html","title":{"rendered":"On Protest Votes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A very good article here on how protest votes for President (votes to &quot;send a message,&quot; votes for third parties, votes for write-ins, or just staying home) are pretty much futile because they don&#39;t actually succeed in doing much of anything except leaving the voting up to the folk who <i>are<\/i> voting for one of the two major parties, which parties are largely unlikely to actually hear, let alone react favorably, to such messages.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/@cshirky\/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-protest-vote-c2fdacabd704#.oms5e6xio\">https:\/\/medium.com\/@cshirky\/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-protest-vote-c2fdacabd704#.oms5e6xio<\/a><\/p>\n<p><i>&#39;Throwing away your vote on a message no one will hear, and which will change no outcome, is sometimes presented as &lsquo;voting your conscience&rsquo;, but that&rsquo;s got it exactly backwards; your conscience is what keeps you from doing things that feel good to you but hurt other people. Citizens who vote for third-party candidates, write-in candidates, or nobody aren&rsquo;t voting their conscience, they are voting their ego, unable to accept that a system they find personally disheartening actually applies to them.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>The people advocating protest votes believe they deserve a choice that aligns closely with their political preferences. With 130 million voters, hundreds of issues, and just two candidates, this idea doesn&rsquo;t even make mathematical sense, much less political sense. <\/i><b><i>No matter who you are, voting isn&rsquo;t about you. You are not promised a candidate you love, or even like, because no one is guaranteed that. Presidential voting is an exercise in distinguishing the lesser of two evils.<\/i><\/b><i> Making that choice is all that&rsquo;s asked of us, and all that&rsquo;s on offer.&#39;<\/i><\/p>\n<p>(Emphasis mine.)<\/p>\n<p>The article notes &#8212; correctly &#8212; that in a democracy you can have it pretty much of two ways. Most countries have multi-party setups, which end up in coalition governments which is where the compromising takes place, amongst the politicians. A voter can vote &quot;their conscience&quot; for the party that (mostly or more so) aligns with their particular policy set or priority, and then let the politicians dicker and bargain over how to create a governing majority.<\/p>\n<p>The alternative is what the US has: two parties where the voters themselves are asked to make (or approve of) the compromises up front. There are a wide array of Democrats, and a wide array of Republicans, serving in the federal (and state) governments; while there has been some ideological narrowing over the past few decades, both parties are still significantly big tents, and the voter in a US election has to decide to vote for one, or the other, or leave it up to everyone else (and live with the consequence).<\/p>\n<p>Is one system better than the other? That&#39;s a separate debate, but it&#39;s been 150 years since we saw a rise of a third party, and it didn&#39;t spring full-blown from the presidency but started at the local level (largely cannibalizing one of the existing parties). If people really want a new third party &#8212; or want to effect a change in the nature of one of the existing parties &#8212; it needs to start at the bottom, with local races, cities, counties, school boards, state legislators; those are the folk who then influence (or are) the state party leaders, and then have an influence on national party politics. That&#39;s how the GOP social conservative movement became such an influence on its party, from the grass roots up.<\/p>\n<p>But whether you are looking for a third party, or a revolution within one of the existing ones, a protest vote to &quot;send a message&quot; isn&#39;t going to change anything. It&#39;s merely going to leave the rest of us to make the decision for you. <\/p>\n<p>(The same could be said, I suppose, for someone already coming into this election thinking that the Libertarian Party or the Green Party is the bee&#39;s knees and planning on voting for them. While I can admire what at least appears to be an actual analysis and decision, the effect is much the same, i.e., little to none.)<\/p>\n<p>(And, long-time Green or Libertarian fans aside, if you honestly think there is no substantive or effective difference between &#8212; in the case of the presidential campaign &#8212; Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, then there&#39;s probably not much else that can be said, because our worldviews are way too different. I can wish there were <i>more<\/i> difference, in a variety of ways, and I can wish that my candidate of choice were more closely aligned with me in a wide array of policy issues. But if you really think a Donald Trump presidency will be effectively the same as a Hillary Clinton presidency, then I think you are taking an extraordinarily myopic view.)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div style='text-align:center'><a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/photos\/101083456815352083930\/albums\/6316184779462301633\/6316184778424489938?authkey=CK-qka_E5YToOA'><img src='https:\/\/lh3.googleusercontent.com\/-uoVEisAEMBk\/V6eYl2W4l9I\/AAAAAAAECw0\/07DDc_657fUu40fWBkSIJXKub9IgYnT3QCL0B\/democrat-republican%255B1%255D.jpg?imgmax=660' style='max-width:650px;' \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div style='text-align:center'>\n<a href='' style='width:50px;height:50px;display:inline-block;background-size:cover;background-image:url();'><\/a>\u00a0\n<\/div>\n<p><span style='font-size:small;'><a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/+DaveHill47\/posts\/1bs8KMBgV2k'>View on Google+<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A very good article here on how protest votes for President (votes to &quot;send a message,&quot; votes for third parties, votes for write-ins, or just staying home) are pretty much futile because they don&#39;t actually succeed in doing much of anything except leaving the voting up to the folk who are voting for one of &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2016\/08\/07\/on-protest-votes.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;On Protest Votes&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":131217,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-131216","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-plusposts"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/democrat-republican5B15D.jpgimgmax=660.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":131225,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2016\/08\/08\/on-multi-party-systems-two-party-systems-and-protest-votes-again.html","url_meta":{"origin":131216,"position":0},"title":"On multi-party systems, two-party systems, and protest votes (again)","author":"***Dave","date":"Mon 8-Aug-16 4:28am","format":false,"excerpt":"Somewhat separate from the debate over Trump v. 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