{"id":13172,"date":"2008-07-04T22:06:45","date_gmt":"2008-07-05T05:06:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2008\/07\/04\/r-e-s-p-e-c-t-4.html"},"modified":"2008-07-04T22:06:45","modified_gmt":"2008-07-05T05:06:45","slug":"r_e_s_p_e_c_t_4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2008\/07\/04\/r_e_s_p_e_c_t_4.html","title":{"rendered":"R-E-S-P-E-C-T"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"img-shadow-right\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Episcopal Church\" height=\"75\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/images\/episcshield.gif\" width=\"60\" \/> <\/div>\n<p>Y&#8217;know, if there are folks who have theological disagreements with me, and with my church and religion and denomination, I&#8217;m okay with that. I certainly don&#8217;t have the hubris to believe I have an exclusive on the Truth, and that I have all the answers to all the questions.<\/p>\n<p>That said, I expect a certain amount of courtesy and respect and propriety &#8212; and, being Anglican, such would seem to be the appropriate way to deal with each other in such disputes. Which is why <a href=\"http:\/\/www.virtueonline.org\/portal\/modules\/news\/article.php?storyid=8533\" target=\"_blank\">the following<\/a> irks me to no end:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Does Williams not understand that tens of thousands of Episcopalians and dozens of churches are fleeing The Episcopal Church because Mrs. Katharine Jefferts Schori preaches &#8220;another Gospel&#8221; (Gal. 1:8)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Whilst most of the press over the current schism within the Anglican Communion has focused on the whole <em>nassssssty <\/em>gay stuff, the fact of the matter is that a huge part of it is the refusal by many on the conservative\/&#8221;orthodox&#8221; side to accept <em>women <\/em>in clerical roles &#8212; as priests, let alone bishops. Which is demonstrated, time and again, by insistent and intentional (and insulting) references to the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church as <em>Mrs.<\/em> Katharine Jefferts Schori, as opposed to Bishop Jefferts Schori, or even Reverend Jefferts Schori.<\/p>\n<p>This isn&#8217;t about 2003. It&#8217;s about <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Episcopal_Church_in_the_United_States_of_America#Women.27s_ordination\" target=\"_blank\">1976<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I just wish they&#8217;d be honest about it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Y&#8217;know, if there are folks who have theological disagreements with me, and with my church and religion and denomination, I&#8217;m okay with that. 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