{"id":133264,"date":"2017-04-13T19:46:31","date_gmt":"2017-04-14T01:46:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/04\/13\/when-can-an-airline-boot-you-off-a-plane-when-youve-already-boarded.html"},"modified":"2017-04-13T19:46:31","modified_gmt":"2017-04-14T01:46:31","slug":"when-can-an-airline-boot-you-off-a-plane-when-youve-already-boarded","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/04\/13\/when-can-an-airline-boot-you-off-a-plane-when-youve-already-boarded.html","title":{"rendered":"When can an airline boot you off a plane when you&#039;ve already boarded?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>An interesting look from a <i>legal<\/i> perspective at the now-infamous &quot;re-accomodation&quot; of a United passenger because United needed the seats for some crew going to the destination.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/lawnewz.com\/high-profile\/united-cites-wrong-rule-for-illegally-de-boarding-passenger\/\" class=\"ot-anchor\">http:\/\/lawnewz.com\/high-profile\/united-cites-wrong-rule-for-illegally-de-boarding-passenger\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Based on this legal reading, once United had let folk board, all the &quot;deny boarding&quot; clauses no longer applied; while there are clauses regarding booting people off planes, doing so to let other folk get a seat is not among them.<\/p>\n<p>This is one lawyer reading one set of contractual material &#8212; but it sure makes a certain amount of sense as provided. And given that David Dao is now taking the first steps toward filing suit against United[1] &#8212; well, I suspect we&#39;ll see how that reading applies.<\/p>\n<p><del>&#8212;<\/del><\/p>\n<p>[1] <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scmp.com\/news\/world\/united-states-canada\/article\/2087302\/dragged-passenger-david-dao-begins-legal-action\" class=\"ot-anchor\">http:\/\/www.scmp.com\/news\/world\/united-states-canada\/article\/2087302\/dragged-passenger-david-dao-begins-legal-action<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div style='text-align:center'><a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/photos\/101083456815352083930\/albums\/6408668414790379297\/6408668413292237202'><img src='https:\/\/lh3.googleusercontent.com\/-dtrdgB3IOUs\/WPAp96GM0ZI\/AAAAAAAEU_4\/u0KxNuC2eqIuAWdPYyF0gJspM0wNc0QoACJoC\/0bb2d23e-1fdd-11e7-ba38-4217a96bb749_1280x720_081639%255B1%255D.jpg?imgmax=660' style='max-width:650px;' \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div style='text-align:center'>\n<a href='' style='width:50px;height:50px;display:inline-block;background-size:cover;background-image:url();'><\/a>\u00a0\n<\/div>\n<p><span style='font-size:small;'><a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/+DaveHill47\/posts\/Hg1ptaygNN8'>View on Google+<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An interesting look from a legal perspective at the now-infamous &quot;re-accomodation&quot; of a United passenger because United needed the seats for some crew going to the destination. http:\/\/lawnewz.com\/high-profile\/united-cites-wrong-rule-for-illegally-de-boarding-passenger\/ Based on this legal reading, once United had let folk board, all the &quot;deny boarding&quot; clauses no longer applied; while there are clauses regarding booting people off &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/04\/13\/when-can-an-airline-boot-you-off-a-plane-when-youve-already-boarded.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;When can an airline boot you off a plane when you&#039;ve already boarded?&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":133265,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-133264","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-plusposts"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/04\/0bb2d23e-1fdd-11e7-ba38-4217a96bb749_1280x720_0816395B15D.jpgimgmax=660.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":133270,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/04\/15\/so-united-had-even-less-right-than-we-thought-to-bump-that-passenger.html","url_meta":{"origin":133264,"position":0},"title":"So United had even less right than we thought to bump that passenger","author":"***Dave","date":"Sat 15-Apr-17 2:44pm","format":false,"excerpt":"Apparently -- and despite United's initial statements (which were picked up by the media), the flight in question was not overbooked (which in theory would allow United to trigger its carriage clauses around picking who to leave behind[1]). 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