{"id":133744,"date":"2017-06-28T22:20:31","date_gmt":"2017-06-29T04:20:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/06\/28\/all-those-death-panel-people-are-now-strangely-ambiguous-about-death-predictions.html"},"modified":"2017-06-28T22:20:31","modified_gmt":"2017-06-29T04:20:31","slug":"all-those-death-panel-people-are-now-strangely-ambiguous-about-death-predictions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/06\/28\/all-those-death-panel-people-are-now-strangely-ambiguous-about-death-predictions.html","title":{"rendered":"All those &quot;death panel&quot; people are now strangely ambiguous about death predictions"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>When the ACA was being discussed (over the course of a year of hearings and amendments and debates), there was this weird obsession from its opponents with &quot;Death Panels.&quot; The idea was that, well, money is finite, and potential medical care demands were infinite, so sooner or later the Big Bad Gubbiment was going to have to decide Who Would Live and Who Would Die.<\/p>\n<p>Never mind that, under the <i>status quo ante,<\/i> the &quot;Death Panels&quot; of limited money vs infinite demand were in the hands of private, for-profit insurance companies (as anyone who ever sat on the phone with an insurance company begging for &quot;approval&quot; of an expense can testify). The Right was convinced that the ACA would lead to Grandma being sentenced to death &#8212; or at least asserted that would be the case.<\/p>\n<p>It hasn&#39;t happened so far, of course, and maybe because of that, the Right is now much more death-curious regarding their own proposals for health insurance reform, the AHCA. Such that we get folk like the yahoo referenced below asserting (as I paraphrase), &quot;There&#39;s no way to tell how many people will actually, really, truly die when they get kicked off of health insurance, so we should ignore any of those arguments against the AHCA. Besides, we&#39;re all going to die anyway, sooner or later.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&quot;We all deserve to die&quot; is a fine sentiment for a Sweeney Todd, but it&#39;s maybe not the basis for health care policy, don&#39;t you think?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"sm2wp\"><p>\n<a style='display:inline;' href='https:\/\/thinkprogress.org\/kennedy-fox-news-trumpcare-we-are-all-going-to-die-50d86cbd9bb5'><br \/>\n<img src='https:\/\/lh3.googleusercontent.com\/proxy\/W2abGGHYEiAH9eardYFYpKCcVZ708autK9XGy1tLSyXS9BSjsdYx1Mp_OQcQ4Ps8PT4SOfMyJIiz5UBhRZRjr5TgnxZ1pewIVShH9tJSnAeDdOUgXIY=w506-h910' border='0' style='max-width:650px;'\/><br \/>\n<\/a><br \/>\n<span style='font-size:large;'><a href='https:\/\/thinkprogress.org\/kennedy-fox-news-trumpcare-we-are-all-going-to-die-50d86cbd9bb5'>Fox News host argues stripping coverage from millions is no biggie since &lsquo;we&rsquo;re all going to die&rsquo;<\/a><\/span><br \/>\nThat&rsquo;s one way to look at it.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style='font-size:small;'><a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/+DaveHill47\/posts\/Js5mtSHwvd2'>View on Google+<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When the ACA was being discussed (over the course of a year of hearings and amendments and debates), there was this weird obsession from its opponents with &quot;Death Panels.&quot; The idea was that, well, money is finite, and potential medical care demands were infinite, so sooner or later the Big Bad Gubbiment was going to &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/06\/28\/all-those-death-panel-people-are-now-strangely-ambiguous-about-death-predictions.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;All those &quot;death panel&quot; people are now strangely ambiguous about death predictions&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-133744","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":135101,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/10\/20\/death-panels-always-real.html","url_meta":{"origin":133744,"position":0},"title":"&#8220;Death Panels&#8221; have always been real","author":"***Dave","date":"Fri 20-Oct-17 7:57am","format":false,"excerpt":"One of the great calumnies of the original debate over the ACA -- and one still heard today -- is that it would set up \"death panels\" that would make life-or-death decisions over the people they considered worthy or unworthy of spending health care money on. \"Your child \/ grandmother\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;~PlusPosts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/unnamed-5.png?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":28610,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/07\/15\/as-ive-said-before-death-panels-already-exist.html","url_meta":{"origin":133744,"position":1},"title":"As I&#39;ve said before, &quot;death panels&quot; already exist","author":"***Dave","date":"Sun 15-Jul-12 4:11pm","format":false,"excerpt":"But they are run by private, for-profit insurance bureaucrats, unaccountable and shareholder-driven. They decide who is eligible for what sort of treatments are covered, with what sort of annual and life-time caps and with what level\u00a0of deductible. \u00a0And the vast majority of the US population is subject to them, since\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;~PlusPosts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":37807,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/06\/13\/obamacare-rationing-death-panels-fox.html","url_meta":{"origin":133744,"position":2},"title":"Obamacare! Rationing! Death Panels! 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