{"id":13446,"date":"2008-12-11T16:23:04","date_gmt":"2008-12-11T23:23:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2008\/12\/11\/traditional-marriage.html"},"modified":"2014-11-05T15:25:52","modified_gmt":"2014-11-05T22:25:52","slug":"traditional_marriage","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2008\/12\/11\/traditional_marriage.html","title":{"rendered":"Traditional marriage"},"content":{"rendered":"

From Newsweek<\/em>‘s article this week on gay marriage<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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Let’s try for a minute to take the religious conservatives at their word and define marriage as the Bible does. Shall we look to Abraham, the great patriarch, who slept with his servant when he discovered his beloved wife Sarah was infertile? Or to Jacob, who fathered children with four different women (two sisters and their servants)? Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon and the kings of Judah and Israel\u2014all these fathers and heroes were polygamists.<\/p>\n

The New Testament model of marriage is hardly better. Jesus himself was single and preached an indifference to earthly attachments\u2014especially family. The apostle Paul (also single) regarded marriage as an act of last resort for those unable to contain their animal lust. “It is better to marry than to burn with passion,” says the apostle, in one of the most lukewarm endorsements of a treasured institution ever uttered. Would any contemporary heterosexual married couple\u2014who likely woke up on their wedding day harboring some optimistic and newfangled ideas about gender equality and romantic love\u2014turn to the Bible as a how-to script?<\/p>\n

Of course not, yet the religious opponents of gay marriage would have it be so.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Or, broken down another way<\/a>, this list of how the law should read if we really wanted to have Traditional Biblical Marriages:<\/p>\n

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A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)<\/p>\n

B. Marriage shall not impede a man’s right to take concubines in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21)<\/p>\n

C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a  virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)<\/p>\n

D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden.  (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)<\/p>\n

E. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)<\/p>\n

F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother’s widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Gen 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)<\/p>\n

G. In lieu of marriage, if there are no acceptable men in your town, it is required that you get your dad drunk and have sex with him (even if he had previously offered you up as a sex toy to men young and old), tag-teaming with any sisters you may have. Of course, this rule applies only if you are female. (Gen 19:31-36)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Ah, traditional, Biblical, Scriptural marriage. Ain’t it grand?<\/p>\n

Not, of course, that the social conservatives who argue that gay marriage would be wrong because it’s not “traditional’ or “Biblical” probably don’t mean any of these things. Well, probably not. But it does raise the issue of why, then, they feel free to pick and choose what makes a “traditional, Biblical, Scriptural” marriage and what can now be safely ignored.<\/p>\n

If your personal belief says that gays shouldn’t marry, that’s your prerogative. Feel free to not marry someone of the same gender as you are. But don’t wrap yourself up in Scripture and call yours the only truly Christian position; Scriptural description of what sort of relationships were not only blessed but prosperous in the Old Testament is nothing like the Ozzie & Harriet world that the Christian Right would have us believe we should be living in.<\/p>\n

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