{"id":134696,"date":"2017-09-15T09:44:40","date_gmt":"2017-09-15T15:44:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=134696"},"modified":"2017-09-15T14:20:07","modified_gmt":"2017-09-15T20:20:07","slug":"people-start-talking-getting-tough-sexual-predators","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/09\/15\/people-start-talking-getting-tough-sexual-predators.html","title":{"rendered":"When people start talking about &#8220;getting tough on sexual predators&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Nobody likes sexual predators. That&#8217;s perfectly appropriate and praiseworthy. Nobody likes the subset of that group, child pornographers, either. I&#8217;m completely behind that sentiment.<\/p>\n<p>But as Inigo Montoya famously noted about certain terms, &#8220;I don&#8217;t think it means what you think it means.&#8221; As in this case, where a 17-year-old sexted a picture of <i>himself<\/i> to an adult, and was tried, convicted, and lost his appeal before the Washington State Supreme Court as a <i>child pornographer<\/i> and sex offender.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, the &#8220;victim&#8221; and &#8220;perpetrator&#8221; in this case are the same individual.<\/p>\n<p>Now, I&#8217;m not saying that what the minor in question did was a good, appropriate, or laudable act. But I really don&#8217;t think most people think &#8220;child pornographer&#8221; and &#8220;troubled teen sending pictures of his own privates to an adult&#8221; in the same mental image. Nevertheless, he will be incarcerated and, behind bars and after release, treated, by state and federal law, as generic sex offender, lumped right in with actual molesters and actual rapists and actual purveyors of child pornography. And that&#8217;s not going help his life &#8212; or society &#8212; at all.<\/p>\n<p>These sorts of laws tend to sweep with a wide brush, because no legislator ever lost votes for being <i>too<\/i> tough on sexual predators. But the results can be as unjust or daffy (or, most likely, both) in hurting people innocent of actual crimes as letting folk go who very certainly should be behind bars.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"sm2wp\"><p><a style=\"display: inline;\" href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/tech-policy\/2017\/09\/teen-sends-dick-pic-to-22-year-old-now-hes-a-child-pornographer\/\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"max-width: 650px;\" src=\"https:\/\/lh3.googleusercontent.com\/proxy\/DoPl6ykedt6IxFYY7BSqsot6GdplTR1DReK_VIdj3-5QdD_iM11msIvRlJpmpNRxaYfutKgXmfMP05MemhCR_0p1A9qILxof5buviqpDX4Yp9syS12AxOcm_XkXjhxcFY_CDX7pf0495D34=w506-h910\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<\/a><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: large;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/tech-policy\/2017\/09\/teen-sends-dick-pic-to-22-year-old-now-hes-a-child-pornographer\/\">Teen sends dick pic to 22-year-old woman, now he\u2019s a child pornographer<\/a><\/span><br \/>\nWashington Supreme Court: Child porn laws apply even if perp, victim are the same.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/plus.google.com\/+DaveHill47\/posts\/RhYgUgUVvtD\">View on Google+<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Nobody likes sexual predators. That&#8217;s perfectly appropriate and praiseworthy. Nobody likes the subset of that group, child pornographers, either. I&#8217;m completely behind that sentiment. But as Inigo Montoya famously noted about certain terms, &#8220;I don&#8217;t think it means what you think it means.&#8221; As in this case, where a 17-year-old sexted a picture of himself &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/09\/15\/people-start-talking-getting-tough-sexual-predators.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;When people start talking about &#8220;getting tough on sexual predators&#8221;&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":134705,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,3,715,24,8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-134696","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-plusposts","category-blogging","category-crime-punishment","category-writing-and-language","category-zt-pc"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/unnamed-20.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":37939,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/06\/29\/bad-choices-but-really-bad-law.html","url_meta":{"origin":134696,"position":0},"title":"Bad choices but really bad law","author":"***Dave","date":"Sat 29-Jun-13 12:46am","format":false,"excerpt":"I find child pornography repugnant both on the face of it and as exploitation of non-consenting minors. 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