{"id":134806,"date":"2017-09-21T07:57:11","date_gmt":"2017-09-21T13:57:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=134806"},"modified":"2017-09-21T18:12:24","modified_gmt":"2017-09-22T00:12:24","slug":"rolling-dice-police-will-react","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/09\/21\/rolling-dice-police-will-react.html","title":{"rendered":"Rolling the dice on how the police will react"},"content":{"rendered":"

So miscommunication happens. The site where a hit-and-run vehicle fled, a guy waving around (not menacingly) a metal pipe that he ignores orders to lay down (because he’s deaf), standers-by shouting stuff (“He’s deaf!”) that might not be intelligible to the officers on the scene. I can see that happening, as a one-off tragic thing.<\/p>\n

But when you have serious<\/i> variance in how the police officers respond, even when they are both right there with each other, apparently not communicating — then<\/i> there is clearly a problem. And since the police can use lethal force, it’s a lethal<\/i> problem.<\/p>\n

About six other neighbors joined in, frantically trying to get the officer\u2019s attention. But less than a minute after the episode began, a second officer arrived and immediately pulled out his handgun, Mr. Rayos said. While people continued to scream, the first officer fired his Taser at Mr. Sanchez, while the second fired his handgun, the police said.<\/p>\n

Capt. Bo Mathews, a spokesman for the Oklahoma City Police Department, said Wednesday that the second officer, Sgt. Christopher Barnes, fired multiple shots and that Mr. Sanchez, who was hit more than once, was pronounced dead in front of his house.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Two cops were there. The first to arrive had his Taser out. The second one to arrive immediately escalated to a handgun, either ignoring what his colleague had judged to be what was needed or simply not noticing. The first cop felt that a non-lethal (usually) stopping weapon was sufficient. The second, standing right there, decided instead that the only thing to do was to fire several shots<\/i> until the man was dead.<\/p>\n

That<\/i> indicates a major problem with the training and judgement of the Oklahoma City PD. And given continuous anecdata, a problem with more than just them.<\/p>\n

Captain Mathews said the police did not know yet why one officer pulled out his Taser while the other had his handgun. \u201cYou can get tunnel vision or just get locked in on the person with the weapon,\u201d he said, speaking generally about what officers can encounter during chaotic scenes.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

If that’s meant to be an excuse or use of lethal force, it’s a pretty poor one.<\/p>\n


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\nDespite Pleas, Oklahoma City Officer Fatally Shoots Deaf Man – The New York Times<\/a><\/span>
\nAn officer\u2019s command to drop a two-foot-long pipe did not register with Madgiel Sanchez. A second officer who arrived fatally shot him.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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So miscommunication happens. The site where a hit-and-run vehicle fled, a guy waving around (not menacingly) a metal pipe that he ignores orders to lay down (because he’s deaf), standers-by shouting stuff (“He’s deaf!”) that might not be intelligible to the officers on the scene. 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