{"id":135464,"date":"2017-11-28T12:41:50","date_gmt":"2017-11-28T19:41:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=135464"},"modified":"2017-11-30T23:32:49","modified_gmt":"2017-12-01T06:32:49","slug":"okay-god-vote-bad-people-like-policy-positions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/11\/28\/okay-god-vote-bad-people-like-policy-positions.html","title":{"rendered":"It&#8217;s okay with God to vote for bad people if you like their policy positions"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>That&#8217;s the point of this article in <em>The Federalist<\/em>. The author can&#8217;t seem to quite go whole-hog and say that character is meaningless (indeed, she keeps insisting that it&#8217;s of great importance), but she does dance around it a lot, ultimately coming down hard on the side of &#8220;Even if Roy Moore sexually assaulted young and under-age women, at least he&#8217;ll vote for more conservative ideologues on the Supreme Court, and that&#8217;s what really matters, because his leching after teenagers half his age is a private sin, not a public one, so it pales compared to his willingness to get rid of abortion, so it&#8217;s all okay.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>One irony here is that this is an attitude, a moral relativism, that conservatives often accuse liberals of. But social conservatives explicitly <i>claim<\/i> a moral righteousness, a purity, a demand for virtue in others, that flies directly in the face of this sort of <i>realpolitik.<\/i> Ultimately, the author has to sort of shrug and say, &#8220;Hey, God does great things through immoral people in the Bible, so God probably wants you to vote for Roy Moore.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s a particularly moral argument, and it seems a poor theological one; hopefully it&#8217;s not (as it was last November) a <i>winning<\/i> one.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"sm2wp\"><p><a style=\"display: inline;\" href=\"http:\/\/thefederalist.com\/2017\/11\/28\/justified-vote-morally-questionable-politician\/\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"max-width: 650px;\" src=\"https:\/\/lh3.googleusercontent.com\/proxy\/dBvwmsfa3bKwtDEk5lGLHIJr9oDX42NaCqVRXgEeoVPHjeyHO6Q7FtAferf8aO0_LE3MM3zDYvN3mmS3eQQMzkJsBO2v1Nc3WQEI4fvBmKEvwJr1hA=w506-h910\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<\/a><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: large;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/thefederalist.com\/2017\/11\/28\/justified-vote-morally-questionable-politician\/\">Why It\u2019s Justified To Vote For A Morally Questionable Politician<\/a><\/span><br \/>\nGod uses all kinds of \u2018immoral\u2019 men and women to bring about his purposes. He is actually rather pragmatic regarding the secular world.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/plus.google.com\/+DaveHill47\/posts\/7fvUTsVnbwV\">View on Google+<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>That&#8217;s the point of this article in The Federalist. The author can&#8217;t seem to quite go whole-hog and say that character is meaningless (indeed, she keeps insisting that it&#8217;s of great importance), but she does dance around it a lot, ultimately coming down hard on the side of &#8220;Even if Roy Moore sexually assaulted young &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/11\/28\/okay-god-vote-bad-people-like-policy-positions.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;It&#8217;s okay with God to vote for bad people if you like their policy positions&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":135468,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,9,358,110,348,8],"tags":[1320],"class_list":["post-135464","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-plusposts","category-politics-law","category-poor-citizenship","category-religious-zanies","category-women","category-zt-pc","tag-roymoore"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Roy-Moore-wife-teen.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":32520,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/02\/14\/votes-women-and-guns.html","url_meta":{"origin":135464,"position":0},"title":"Votes, women, and guns","author":"***Dave","date":"Thu 14-Feb-13 9:14am","format":false,"excerpt":"Okay, this kind of thing should be slathered with all sorts of caveats, including that it's still a year and a half before the next election and what the next hot issue is could change at the drop of a hat.But, all that said, there are some indications that the\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;~PlusPosts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":50010,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/04\/08\/final-four-for-the-twenty.html","url_meta":{"origin":135464,"position":1},"title":"Final Four for the Twenty","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 8-Apr-15 12:33am","format":false,"excerpt":"The \"Women on $20s\" campaign has narrowed it down to a final vote for four individuals. 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