{"id":135655,"date":"2017-12-13T19:06:20","date_gmt":"2017-12-14T02:06:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=135655"},"modified":"2017-12-15T00:27:29","modified_gmt":"2017-12-15T07:27:29","slug":"tragedy-persecution-american-christians","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/12\/13\/tragedy-persecution-american-christians.html","title":{"rendered":"The tragedy of the persecution of American Christians"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The tragedy is that it doesn&#8217;t exist, but some Christians in the US are convinced it does.<\/p>\n<p>Speaking as both an American <i>and<\/i> a Christian, here&#8217;s what <i>I<\/i> see.<\/p>\n<p>Christians do still hold tremendous power in this country. They hold positions of influence. They have tremendous privilege. The national holidays, the public symbols, the social structure is all built around Christian traditions and Christian values and Christians beliefs.<\/p>\n<p>But &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Some of that is changing. Christians are being told there are other people who want to sit at the table. Not just the Jews (who were, sometimes, tolerated), but Muslims. Hindus. Buddhists. And, heck, people who <i>don&#8217;t believe at all.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>And Christians aren&#8217;t automatically deferred to, or respected, or treated as not just the norm but the core of what it means to be American. People make jokes about Christians. People want other holidays off. People question whether churches should be tax exempt. People question Christian teachings on things like divorce, or abortion, or sex, or the role of women, or homosexuality, or the origin of the universe, or the existence of God.<\/p>\n<p>Sure, there are a lot of Christians who have little to no problem with those things But the Christians who are most certain that they are the True Christians, the Real Christians, the Ones Christ Would Feel Were Truly His Followers &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>They&#8217;re not always the undisputed top dogs. They&#8217;re not the center of respect. They can&#8217;t simply assert their opinion (God&#8217;s opinion!) as to what is Right and what is Wrong and expect it to be followed.<\/p>\n<p>And that fall from complete, utter, and total social hegemony is perceived as &#8230; <i>persecution.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t get to shun and fire and refuse to serve immoral people any more.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t get to put monuments to my religion in the public square any more.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t get to have my prayers read in classrooms any more.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t get to forbid stuff, and shame or imprison the folk who do forbidden things, any more.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t automatically garner respect and deference for being the epitome of morality and righteousness any more.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t get to assume everyone is a Christian, and that they are Baptized, and that they have Read the Bible, and that they Celebrate the Same Holidays as me, and that they Believe The Same Stuff I do any more.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m being <i>persecuted.&#8221;<\/i><\/p>\n<p>The word &#8220;privilege&#8221; gets tossed around a lot, and it makes a lot of people uncomfortable, but that&#8217;s exactly what this is: *Christian Privilege. And it&#8217;s being challenged. And some Christians simply cannot stand that.<\/p>\n<p>Some Christians see any threat to their being Number One as being persecution. Some Christians see any challenge to their being the undisputed bosses of America as being persecution. Some Christians see criticism, jokes, disrespect, as being persecution.<\/p>\n<p>Again, speaking as both an American <i>and<\/i> a Christian: <i>suck it up, Buttercup.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Jesus didn&#8217;t promise any of his followers that they would be in charge of things here on Earth. He didn&#8217;t say that they would get a country that would follow all their religious dictates. He didn&#8217;t say that everyone would respect Christians, or treat them as the top dogs in society.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, he pretty much said the opposite. And he said that was okay, at least according to the Bible.<\/p>\n<p>Now, I&#8217;m not recommending that Christians should <i>want<\/i> to be persecuted. Or that any religious (or irreligious) group should be persecuted.<\/p>\n<p>Heck, I&#8217;m not even saying that I don&#8217;t get peeved when people post stuff that says that Christians \/ Theists of Any Sort are deluded idiots who are responsible for all the ills of this world.<\/p>\n<p>But that&#8217;s not persecution. That is, at best, a debate between worldviews, and, at worst, people being asshats. Being a Christian doesn&#8217;t threaten my job, doesn&#8217;t threaten my owning my home, threaten my kid being able to go to school, threaten my ability to go to church, doesn&#8217;t threaten my ability to vote or buy stuff or participate in society or eat in restaurants or stay out of jail. There are countries where that&#8217;s the case; this isn&#8217;t one of them.<\/p>\n<p>Christians aren&#8217;t being persecuted in this country. They&#8217;re simply not the undisputed lords and masters. And, frankly, that bit of humility and need to actually <i>sell<\/i> the message of Christianity, vs. imposing it by rule of law and social <i>diktat,<\/i> is actually a <i>good<\/i> thing for Christians. Because, again, looking at the Bible, being the people in undisputed charge of things is <i>not<\/i> what Jesus recommended to his followers.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"sm2wp\"><p><a style=\"display: inline;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/democracy-post\/wp\/2017\/12\/12\/no-christians-do-not-face-looming-persecution-in-america\/?utm_term=.4cc9ef9f80b7\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"max-width: 650px;\" src=\"https:\/\/lh3.googleusercontent.com\/proxy\/2tq6vrUg5KezW6wQE9DJkkmy583Po8sbkCczKep9UqJkULMhq2awhgxQNlKz2dMdlT1jcTu4bD-fES8k17IohKtY-YlUpKZUjjBYVCEhaQn-jXKgeADbtaKdoUL33MYBu3-k6VcUVI_alZKOC96LHo7ENXM4m6imVf_jJcAzPJf4O5U5nnA=w506-h910\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<\/a><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: large;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/democracy-post\/wp\/2017\/12\/12\/no-christians-do-not-face-looming-persecution-in-america\/?utm_term=.4cc9ef9f80b7\">No, Christians do not face looming persecution in America &#8211; The Washington Post<\/a><\/span><br \/>\nThe media should challenge conservative Christians on their politics of paranoia.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/plus.google.com\/+DaveHill47\/posts\/GMq3xfzC8hj\">View on Google+<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The tragedy is that it doesn&#8217;t exist, but some Christians in the US are convinced it does. Speaking as both an American and a Christian, here&#8217;s what I see. Christians do still hold tremendous power in this country. They hold positions of influence. They have tremendous privilege. The national holidays, the public symbols, the social &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/12\/13\/tragedy-persecution-american-christians.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;The tragedy of the persecution of American Christians&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":135664,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,109,533,378,110,8],"tags":[1199,1372,1373],"class_list":["post-135655","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-plusposts","category-church-state","category-demographics","category-intolerance-persecution","category-religious-zanies","category-zt-pc","tag-churchandstate","tag-persecution","tag-tolerance"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/roy-moore-for-senate.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":128253,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/10\/06\/christians-must-arm-themselves-just-like-jesus-told-us-to-amirite.html","url_meta":{"origin":135655,"position":0},"title":"Christians must arm themselves, just like Jesus told us to, amirite?","author":"***Dave","date":"Tue 6-Oct-15 10:23pm","format":false,"excerpt":"You know, I'm talking about He-Man Jesus, not that namby-pamby liberal pacifist Jesus the wishy-washy hippy Christians and Episcopalians are so fond of. 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Non-Christian Americans have been (and still are) railed against, insulted, mocked, threatened, suspected, denigrated, looked askance at, considered un-American, poked fun at, greeted with obscenities, shunned, misrepresented, accused, and otherwise mistreated since before the founding of the Republic (note:\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;~PlusPosts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":50116,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/04\/17\/when-you-cant-exercise-your-privilege-it-feels-like-persecution.html","url_meta":{"origin":135655,"position":5},"title":"When you can&#039;t exercise your privilege it feels like persecution","author":"***Dave","date":"Fri 17-Apr-15 4:00pm","format":false,"excerpt":"It's probably not treasonous to discourage people from serving in the military, but it's certainly unusual for a conservative Republican to urge such a thing. 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