{"id":137063,"date":"2018-09-06T15:43:33","date_gmt":"2018-09-06T21:43:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2018\/09\/06\/having-the-25th-amendment-courage-of-ones-convictions.html"},"modified":"2018-09-06T15:43:33","modified_gmt":"2018-09-06T21:43:33","slug":"having-the-25th-amendment-courage-of-ones-convictions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2018\/09\/06\/having-the-25th-amendment-courage-of-ones-convictions.html","title":{"rendered":"Having the 25th Amendment courage of one&#039;s convictions"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The headline by <i>The Hill<\/i> is a poor one, as it seems to be declaring that she wants the 25th Amendment invoked.<\/p>\n<p>The actual article makes it clear that she wants the people running around saying the President is a nutcase and incompetent to perform the duties of office to have the courage of their convictions and follow the <i>Constitutionally-provided<\/i> process for when the President is a nutcase and incompetent to perform the duties of office &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; rather than creating a shadow government to &quot;contain&quot; him.<\/p>\n<p>She&#39;s not wrong.<\/p>\n<p>I can&#39;t speak to Trump&#39;s competence and mental\/psychological fitness for office. All I see of him is the role he plays on TV. But the Mysterious Op-Ed Insider from yesterday (echoing people quoted in various journalistic investigations and resignee tell-alls) keeps alluding to such incompetence, and to discussions of the 25th Amendment but fear of invoking it because it would be &#8230; um &#8230; a big deal?<\/p>\n<p>&#10077; <i>Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until &mdash; one way or another &mdash; it&rsquo;s over.<\/i> &#10078;<\/p>\n<p>Warren&#39;s point is simply, &quot;put up or shut up.&quot; If it&#39;s 25th Amendment time, <i>that&#39;s what it&#39;s for,<\/i> and using the Constitution doesn&#39;t create a constitutional crisis (it might create a political crisis, but that&#39;s the way it is). If it doesn&#39;t reach that level, then stop using that to justify the heroic resistance (i.e., acting against the president&#39;s lawful authority in covert ways).<\/p>\n<p>Warren isn&#39;t calling for the ouster of Trump. She&#39;s calling on the people who claim to know and who have authority to do so, to do so if <i>they<\/i> consider it justified.<\/p>\n<p><a rel=\"nofollow\" class=\"ot-hashtag\" href=\"https:\/\/plus.google.com\/s\/%23Trump\">#Trump<\/a> <a rel=\"nofollow\" class=\"ot-hashtag\" href=\"https:\/\/plus.google.com\/s\/%2325thamendment\">#25thamendment<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"sm2wp\"><p>\n<a style='display:inline;' href='http:\/\/thehill.com\/homenews\/senate\/405447-warren-senior-admin-officials-should-invoke-25th-amendment-against-trump?__twitter_impression=true'><br \/>\n<img src='https:\/\/lh3.googleusercontent.com\/proxy\/EXk7SXhRKxnU4qoYSKX4y4Ou3MoKzxRjlU6yqnoSuynrGStCntxTXnx63qir1b0NcT70SyPt3ZEYl6yrZmdXRxK7zKHewhARoONf96_hmifIcPfgKLiRhR51UgFCoDI=w506-h910' border='0' style='max-width:650px;'\/><br \/>\n<\/a><br \/>\n<span style='font-size:large;'><a href='http:\/\/thehill.com\/homenews\/senate\/405447-warren-senior-admin-officials-should-invoke-25th-amendment-against-trump?__twitter_impression=true'>Warren calls for 25th Amendment to be invoked against Trump<\/a><\/span><br \/>\nSen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) said Thursday she believes it&rsquo;s time for White House officials to invoke the 25th Amendment and begin the process of removing President Trump from office.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style='font-size:small;'><a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/+DaveHill47\/posts\/ab96bTMHLXe'>Original Post<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The headline by The Hill is a poor one, as it seems to be declaring that she wants the 25th Amendment invoked. The actual article makes it clear that she wants the people running around saying the President is a nutcase and incompetent to perform the duties of office to have the courage of their &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2018\/09\/06\/having-the-25th-amendment-courage-of-ones-convictions.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Having the 25th Amendment courage of one&#039;s convictions&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106],"tags":[1712,1077],"class_list":["post-137063","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts","tag-25thamendment","tag-trump"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":137865,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2019\/02\/18\/can-you-have-a-constitutional-coup.html","url_meta":{"origin":137063,"position":0},"title":"Can you have a Constitutional Coup?","author":"***Dave","date":"Mon 18-Feb-19 11:33pm","format":false,"excerpt":"Donald Trump is now convinced that They're All Out to Get Him. 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