{"id":137074,"date":"2018-09-07T09:30:46","date_gmt":"2018-09-07T15:30:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2018\/09\/07\/dealing-with-the-misogyny-of-ancient-art.html"},"modified":"2018-09-09T10:42:41","modified_gmt":"2018-09-09T16:42:41","slug":"dealing-with-the-misogyny-of-ancient-art","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2018\/09\/07\/dealing-with-the-misogyny-of-ancient-art.html","title":{"rendered":"Dealing with the misogyny of ancient art"},"content":{"rendered":"

I think this article makes an interesting and positive case for addressing the misogyny and violence against women that’s frequently depicted in ancient art (the examples given being from Greece).[1] Abductions and rapes and attacks — how do we deal with the abusive treatment in an era when simply talking about the lines and forms or giving the briefest summary of what’s going on (“Oh, look, here’s yet another piece about the Lapith men fighting the Centaurs who have attacked the Lapith women”)?<\/p>\n

I have no doubt that there are some who would say that the subject matter is such that we simply shouldn’t teach about it at all. And i can understand why some people (not just women) would rather not dwell on artwork that carries violence against women as central motif.<\/p>\n

But I think it would be a mistake to do so, just as it was a mistake for earlier generations to gloss over (or mask, or even destroy) art that was deemed sexually improper and behaviorally immoral in a very different way.<\/p>\n

Instead, why not confront it? We can’t understand Greek culture (and, thus, ultimately our own) without engaging in this stuff, so include examination of what’s going on with Persephone, or the Lapith women, or the Amazons. Don’t be afraid to talk about artistic form alongside problematic cultural practices. Ancient Greek art is valuable to understand, and part<\/i> of that understanding is about what to us seems a very dark underside.<\/p>\n

Don’t just glorify it. Don’t just ban it. Seek to understand it as a whole.<\/p>\n

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\n[1] We actually got to see the “West Pediment of the Temple of Zeus at Olympia” this summer, which was very cool. And, actually, ended up seeing many<\/i> renditions of the whole Lapiths-vs-Centaurs battle at different locations; the Greeks were kind of obsessed with the story, and it’s important to try to understand why, and how that informs us (among many other things) how women were viewed and treated in Ancient Greek culture.<\/p>\n


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\nHow to Teach Ancient Art in the Age of #MeToo<\/a><\/span>
\nContending with misogynist imagery in ancient art raises a multitude of questions that demand addressing today.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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I think this article makes an interesting and positive case for addressing the misogyny and violence against women that’s frequently depicted in ancient art (the examples given being from Greece).[1] Abductions and rapes and attacks — how do we deal with the abusive treatment in an era when simply talking about the lines and forms … Continue reading “Dealing with the misogyny of ancient art”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":137089,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,66,108,8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-137074","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-plusposts","category-media-art","category-history","category-zt-pc"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/greek-art-gropw.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":31965,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/12\/30\/on-india-and-rape.html","url_meta":{"origin":137074,"position":0},"title":"On India and Rape","author":"***Dave","date":"Sun 30-Dec-12 1:24pm","format":false,"excerpt":"I applaud the women (and men) in India speaking out against a culture that focuses on rape as a dishonoring and shaming of women -- turning its victims into even greater victims by how they are considered and mistreated after having been assaulted. 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