{"id":137337,"date":"2018-10-17T13:17:01","date_gmt":"2018-10-17T19:17:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2018\/10\/17\/yet-more-pondering-out-loud-over-where-to-move-to-from-google.html"},"modified":"2018-10-17T13:17:01","modified_gmt":"2018-10-17T19:17:01","slug":"yet-more-pondering-out-loud-over-where-to-move-to-from-google","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2018\/10\/17\/yet-more-pondering-out-loud-over-where-to-move-to-from-google.html","title":{"rendered":"Yet more pondering out loud over where to move to from Google+"},"content":{"rendered":"

I'm not finding either MeWe or Pluspora satisfying — not to the point of wanting to quit either one, quite, but … <\/p>\n

MeWe<\/b> feels like I'm wading though glue every time I'm on the site, between the interface speed, the number of clicks to read and find stuff, and the constrained layout. I'm also annoyed at the cap on image uploads (ch-ching), which will add to the effort cost of using the service. Some of the visibility issues I've been concerned about might be going away with promised upcoming releases, but it has yet to feel like a place I am comfortable working in.<\/p>\n

Pluspora<\/b> is snappy in performance, and I like the general way it groups and sorts info. But the interface is relatively crude, stuff doesn't always seem to work as expected, and I remain dubious about the whole distributed \/ federated Diaspora-etc-verse as a long-term platform that will survive and be stable, let alone see significant UI improvement over time.<\/p>\n

That last element about viability to me is important for both of these platforms. MeWe and the D* Federation are both small beans, even if they see a bump from the G+ shutdown. Their operation and sustainability models are both quite different, from what I can glean, but neither feels stable or perhaps even viable in the long haul.<\/p>\n

(Of course, on the Internet, nothing is necessarily stable or viable for the long haul. E.g., Google+.)<\/p>\n

Maybe I need to get back to looking at my use cases for a Social Media platform, just like a Project Manager would:<\/p>\n

1. I want a place where I can share the stuff I find cool, thought-provoking, cathartic, cute, or whatever. <\/p>\n

2. I want to see stuff that others find cool, thought-provoking, cathartic, cute, or whatever, with the ability to narrow down with whom I'm chatting.<\/p>\n

3. I want a community that can and will discuss the above two items with me. Shouting into the darkness is not what I'm wanting. I'm looking for people I like, trust, respect, and\/or enjoy being around. (I've had such a community at G+; where they are going matters.) I want to be able to kick people out of the conversation who are being deplorable.<\/p>\n

4. I want the ability to use my WordPress blog as a canonical repository for as much of the stuff I write (and even comment on) as possible. That's my backup, and why G+'s closure hasn't hit me as hard as some. Promises that I can extract the data I put up there don't mean a lot to me; I want something ongoing and easy.<\/p>\n

5. I want things to be as stable and long-lived as possible (with the understanding there are no guarantees, but taking what steps I can to make it that way).<\/p>\n

So beyond the above two choices (and with Pluspora include the other D* sites and Friendica and Hubzilla and that whole creaking federation), what else is there?<\/p>\n

A. Something New<\/b> – People have recommended a number of other alternatives (e.g., Mind, Dreamportal, etc.). But they seem to all have very thin slices of the pie, making both the Community and Stability aspects dodgy.<\/p>\n

B. Facebook<\/b> – So everyone gasps at that, since the first words out of everyone's mouth outside of Facebook is "Never Facebook!" And, yes, it's a horribly run site, as far as exploiting user data. Is that the highest priority for me? I know folks who have actually taken serious discussions over to FB. It's certainly a (relatively) stable setup, it has the horsepower (even if the interface has some interesting gaps). A lot of the community I've had isn't there, but a lot of it is, in some measure. FB doesn't make it easy to get data out, but there are ways to work around that.<\/p>\n

C. Twitter<\/b> – Everyone, after saying NO to Facebook, follows with Twitter being unusable for reasons of tweet length, difficulty of dialog, and trolls. The first is probably the biggest issue … but, then, nothing says I can't do long-form stuff in WordPress and publish to Twitter, and use Twitter for the short shares and suck it back into WordPress. I would leave some community behind, but some of it actually is there.<\/p>\n

D. Tumblr<\/b> – At least one correspondent (+<\/span>John E. Bredehoft<\/a><\/span>) is using this tool, and its visibility and interoperability are pretty darned good. I find dialog on Tumblr tough, though, and I worry a bit about its long-term viability under Oath. Also, it just … man, Tumbler seems mainly for image shares, more than serious blogging (less so than Pinterist, to be sure, but in that same ballpark). <\/p>\n

E. Reddit<\/b> – I've seen serious suggestions about this. While Reddit sometimes seems like a cess pool in some of its zanier corners, I have no sense as to whether it would serve my blogging purposes. Anyone with more info is welcome to chime in.<\/p>\n

F. Just Use My Blog<\/b> – If I write it, will they come? I can post stubs, at least, out to other sites (FB, Twitter, even D* with some add-ons), but I know that ends up with fragmented discussions and overall lowered engagement. But, hell, maybe I should just go back to the old way of doing things, when bloggers were bloggers, and RSS roamed the Earth.<\/p>\n

No conclusions here, just continuing to work some of these issues out by nattering out loud.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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