{"id":137869,"date":"2019-02-19T22:24:22","date_gmt":"2019-02-20T05:24:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2019\/02\/19\/oh-you-mean-religious-freedom-means-people-can-discriminate-against-me.html"},"modified":"2019-02-19T22:24:22","modified_gmt":"2019-02-20T05:24:22","slug":"oh-you-mean-religious-freedom-means-people-can-discriminate-against-me","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2019\/02\/19\/oh-you-mean-religious-freedom-means-people-can-discriminate-against-me.html","title":{"rendered":"Oh, you mean "religious freedom" means people can discriminate against ME?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Yeah, lots of people love pounding the "religious freedom" drum — "I shouldn't have to associate with \/ offer services to \/ dispense medicine for \/ accept customers who are <\/i>those<\/i><\/b> types of people"<\/i> — when they think that they're part of "Us," not one of "Them."<\/p>\n

So there are certainly a number of Christians who think, "Well, yes, a Christian should get cut slack when their moral beliefs conflict with those of someone else … because Jesus loves Christians most of all, and this country was founded on religious freedom, and if I'm forced to bake cakes for gays or make flower arrangements for Muslims, well, that's just like Nazi Germany."<\/p>\n

Those Christians forget that "Christianity" is hardly a monolith. Most Christians think Mormons don't count. Many Protestant Christians think Catholics are beyond the pale. In the early days of this country, Quakers were persecuted, as were Baptists. The Founders had centuries of examples from Europe of wars and organized persecutions between Catholics and Protestants (with the occasional crusades against heretics for good measure).<\/p>\n

Once you start legitimizing religious discrimination (especially when spending taxpayer money), sooner or later, you<\/i> will be on the losing end of that equation.<\/p>\n

(See also, "The Best Religious Joke of All Time" https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/stage\/2005\/sep\/29\/comedy.religion<\/a>)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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\nCatholic mom sues after Trump-backed foster care agency calls her the wrong kind of Christian<\/a><\/span>
\nThe rug has been pulled out from under “religious freedom.”\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Yeah, lots of people love pounding the "religious freedom" drum — "I shouldn't have to associate with \/ offer services to \/ dispense medicine for \/ accept customers who are those types of people" — when they think that they're part of "Us," not one of "Them." 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