{"id":138515,"date":"2019-04-01T09:38:11","date_gmt":"2019-04-01T15:38:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=138515"},"modified":"2019-04-01T09:38:11","modified_gmt":"2019-04-01T15:38:11","slug":"on-captain-marvel-and-the-future-of-the-marvel-cinematic-universe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2019\/04\/01\/on-captain-marvel-and-the-future-of-the-marvel-cinematic-universe.html","title":{"rendered":"On &#8220;Captain Marvel&#8221; and the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[Possible spoilers for\u00a0<em>Captain Marvel,<\/em> but, really, you should have seen it by now.]<\/p>\n<p>As the movie approaches the $1 billion box office level, Marvel&#8217;s\u00a0<em>Captain Marvel<\/em> is, along with\u00a0<em>Black Panther,<\/em> demonstrating that the MCU&#8217;s films (and, perhaps, movies in general) don&#8217;t need to primarily focus on white guys as heroes.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/captain-marvel-black-panther.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-138519\" title=\"captain marvel black panther\" src=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/captain-marvel-black-panther-650x365.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"650\" height=\"365\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/captain-marvel-black-panther-650x365.jpg 650w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/captain-marvel-black-panther-150x84.jpg 150w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/captain-marvel-black-panther-300x168.jpg 300w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/captain-marvel-black-panther-768x431.jpg 768w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/captain-marvel-black-panther-1200x673.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/captain-marvel-black-panther.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Which, honestly, I have no problem with, and in fact, applaud. There are a lot of characters in the Marvel Universe who are not-white and\/or not-male, and this only frees up the opportunity to see more of them center screen, too. I would prefer not to see white guys disappear totally from the MCU &#8212; but that hardly seems likely. Heck, even the Snap didn&#8217;t do that.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_138517\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-138517\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/avengers-2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-138517\" title=\"avengers 2\" src=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/avengers-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/avengers-2.jpg 500w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/avengers-2-150x85.jpg 150w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/avengers-2-300x169.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 85vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-138517\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">I&#8217;m not actually worried about running out of white guys in the MCU.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>(And, yes, there&#8217;s even the possibility that some characters might be cast with people who don&#8217;t align with their complexion or even gender in the original comics. Nick Fury&#8217;s a kinda-good example of that being workable, as are changes with Mar-Vell. If done well, in a way that doesn&#8217;t significantly change something essential about the character, I don&#8217;t have a problem there.)<\/p>\n<p>Beyond that, it&#8217;s noted that the success of these two heroes that are slated for prominence in the post-Avengers &#8220;Phase 4&#8221; movies, along with the movies already slated, indicates that Marvel need be in no big hurry to incorporate the massive properties they just inherited with the Fox deal: the X-Men and the Fantastic Four.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_138518\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-138518\" style=\"width: 600px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Fantastic-Four-Vs-X-Men.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-138518\" title=\"Fantastic-Four-Vs-X-Men\" src=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Fantastic-Four-Vs-X-Men.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"307\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Fantastic-Four-Vs-X-Men.jpg 600w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Fantastic-Four-Vs-X-Men-150x77.jpg 150w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Fantastic-Four-Vs-X-Men-300x154.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-138518\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">FF and X-Men &#8212; They&#8217;ve both been around for a while.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>I mean, I&#8217;m as anxious as anyone else to see a decent film rendition of the FF, but I&#8217;m totally cool with both properties, esp. the X-Men, getting a few years of rest and reset, and then potentially centerpiece another phase down the line. Aside from the risk of super-hero flicks going out of style (which has been predicted multiple times over the last decade) before they circle around to those sagas, a break makes a lot of sense.\u00a0Though in the meantime we can get some &#8220;hints&#8221; (news stories about mutations on the rise due to cosmic radiation or Infinity Stone leftovers; a NASA representative name-dropping Reed Richards; weird shenanigans on the news going on in the Sokovian neighbor nation of Latveria, etc.) to help tee up some excitement.<\/p>\n<p>Another interesting thread of discussion that&#8217;s come up lately, viz Captain Marvel, is the question of Carol Danvers sexual orientation. It&#8217;s a little weird that it&#8217;s being brought up in large part because the character doesn&#8217;t have the traditional &#8220;boyfriend&#8221; in her origin movie, which is supposed to be a\u00a0<em>good<\/em> thing because not every woman&#8217;s story has to be focused on her relationship with a man &#8212; but that&#8217;s, in turn, made people wonder if Carol&#8217;s relationship with Maria Rambeau or (and this would be an interesting twist) Mar-Vell might be more than just friendship.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Carol-Danvers-and-Maria-Rambeau-Captain-Marvel.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-138516\" title=\"Carol Danvers and Maria Rambeau Captain Marvel\" src=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Carol-Danvers-and-Maria-Rambeau-Captain-Marvel-650x325.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"650\" height=\"325\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Carol-Danvers-and-Maria-Rambeau-Captain-Marvel-650x325.jpg 650w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Carol-Danvers-and-Maria-Rambeau-Captain-Marvel-150x75.jpg 150w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Carol-Danvers-and-Maria-Rambeau-Captain-Marvel-300x150.jpg 300w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Carol-Danvers-and-Maria-Rambeau-Captain-Marvel.jpg 738w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m, honestly, non-committal. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with it, but there&#8217;s nothing particularly compelling about it, either. To be sure, I don&#8217;t have a personal stake in that particular representation, and I agree that getting some LGBTQ folk into the MCU picture (a million unofficial memes about Steve\/Bucky notwithstanding) would be a positive thing in principle. I may just be a bit concerned at a meta level about the amount of heavy-eyerolling-<em>See-it-<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">was<\/span>-all-a-feminist-plot<\/em> that would ensue if it turned out that Captain Marvel was a lesbian, or even bi, but that seems inevitable no matter what happens with the character.<\/p>\n<p>Honestly, the question of <em>any<\/em> sort of relationship for Carol is a more interesting one to me: a highly duty-driven person, whose memories have been messed up, who&#8217;s been betrayed by her closest friends, who&#8217;s just spent a few decades in deep space (has it actually been that long for her, or 3sd-are we talking some light-speed time contract compressing the interval for her?) &#8230; trust issues and understanding how to relate to people <em>at all<\/em> might be a serious uphill road for her, regardless of which way(s) she swings.<\/p>\n<p>In short, on this as with other things, I&#8217;m more interested in good story than in particular agendas. If they want to have Capt. Marvel and Valkyrie as the hottest gay lovers in space-time, great. If she ends up in domestic bliss with Doctor Strange, well, that might be interesting. Heck, if she decides that Rocket Raccoon is her type, I&#8217;m cool with that, too. Just give me a good story about it.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you want to know more? <\/em><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.forbes.com\/sites\/scottmendelson\/2019\/03\/31\/box-office-captain-marvel-brie-larson-black-panther-disney-avengers-eternals-shang-chi-x-men\/#3e9ad2302a93\">&#8216;Captain Marvel&#8217; And &#8216;Black Panther&#8217; Show Why The MCU Doesn&#8217;t Need The X-Men<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cbr.com\/captain-marvel-gay-mcu-superhero\/\">A Gay Captain Marvel Would Be The MCU&#8217;s Biggest Statement on Diversity<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What Carol&#8217;s success might mean for the X-Men and FF, oh, and what about her romantic life?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":138519,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[11,25,525,41,740,348],"tags":[1819,1234],"class_list":["post-138515","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-media-comics","category-gay-stuff","category-marvel-cinematic-universe","category-media-movies","category-race-racism","category-women","tag-captainmarvel","tag-mcu"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/captain-marvel-black-panther.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":37805,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/06\/13\/marvel-cinematic-universe-even.html","url_meta":{"origin":138515,"position":0},"title":"Marvel Cinematic Universe even&#8230;","author":"***Dave","date":"Thu 13-Jun-13 10:32pm","format":false,"excerpt":"Marvel Cinematic Universe evening, rewatching \"Captain America\" and \"Thor\". 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I'd probably bump both Thor and \"Agents of SHIELD\" a rank or two higher, and \"Hail to the King\" and Captain America a rank or two lower, but it's a good write-up.The MCU, for all that Warners\/DC, Sony, and now Paramount are trying to imitate\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;~PlusPosts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":44197,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/08\/06\/the-marvel-cinematic-universe-and-the-march-of-time.html","url_meta":{"origin":138515,"position":3},"title":"The Marvel Cinematic Universe and the March of Time","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 6-Aug-14 2:37pm","format":false,"excerpt":"As far as I know, Kevin Feige and Marvel have been pretty quiet about the subject, but the clock is ticking on the MCU's stars. 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