{"id":139032,"date":"2019-06-04T19:59:20","date_gmt":"2019-06-05T01:59:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=139032"},"modified":"2019-06-04T19:59:20","modified_gmt":"2019-06-05T01:59:20","slug":"what-does-contempt-of-congress-really-mean","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2019\/06\/04\/what-does-contempt-of-congress-really-mean.html","title":{"rendered":"What does &#8220;Contempt of Congress&#8221; really mean?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Faced with an Executive Branch that&#8217;s basically putting its fists on its waist and saying, &#8220;Nuh-uh&#8221; to legal requests from the House, Democrats in Congress have a limited number of options. As the article below notes, it&#8217;s ultimately limited to (and these are the <em>big <\/em>guns it can use):<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Declare administration figures in Contempt of Congress and (since simple shaming is useless against that gang) take the next logical and legal step of asking the Justice Dept. to fine and\/or arrest the offending parties. Which, as we all realize, will be similarly declined.<\/li>\n<li>Sue the administration to comply with what is being requested. The results of that is a court order &#8230; which will, presumably, be ignored. Followed by a contempt of court ruling &#8230; which will, presumably, be defied (or, more likely, subjected to endless appeal).<\/li>\n<li>Actually send the House&#8217;s Sergeant-at-Arms to arrest the offending parties, who can then be tossed in some sort of lockup or another. It&#8217;s legal (per SCOTUS, assuming the current edition wouldn&#8217;t simply override that precedent). That some Dems are actually muttering about this as an option is a sign as to how far this has gone, and how very few options Congress has in the face of an intransigent President.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/160114-donald-trump-2-ap-11605B15D.jpgimgmax=660.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-131986\" title=\"trump smirk\" src=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/160114-donald-trump-2-ap-11605B15D.jpgimgmax=660-650x353.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"650\" height=\"353\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/160114-donald-trump-2-ap-11605B15D.jpgimgmax=660-650x353.jpg 650w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/160114-donald-trump-2-ap-11605B15D.jpgimgmax=660-150x81.jpg 150w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/160114-donald-trump-2-ap-11605B15D.jpgimgmax=660-300x163.jpg 300w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/160114-donald-trump-2-ap-11605B15D.jpgimgmax=660.jpg 660w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There are really only two other powers the House can exert here:<\/p>\n<p>First, it can simply use the power of the purse to shut administration down. That&#8217;s highly dangerous, if the citizenry doesn&#8217;t see it framed appropriately, especially given the overall damage it can do to innocent bystanders.<\/p>\n<p>The second is impeachment. That&#8217;s got high stakes as well, and is further complicated by, well, this kind of blanket obstruction by the executive branch, which has decided obstruction is a winning strategy.\u00a0 Even investigation as part of a (thoroughly constitutional) process leading toward impeachment proceedings would be hampered by Trump et al. simply saying, &#8220;Nuh-uh.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Because, ultimately, who can compel him to do otherwise?<\/p>\n<p>The GOP in the Senate has already declared any impeachment indictment from the House would be DOA &#8212; indeed, that they would make it as quick and kangaroo of a dismissal as humanly possible. Which means impeachment is largely for making the case to the <em>public<\/em> that, in 2020,\u00a0<em>they<\/em> must force Trump to go (and, ideally, the Senate GOP majority).<\/p>\n<p>Assuming Trump doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;Nuh-uh&#8221; to that (&#8220;Fake voters! Fraud! SCOTUS, back me up there!&#8221;), too.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve often said (over the last two years) that our system has depended on people, if not wanting to do what is right, at least being blocked by shame from being seen to do what is wrong. The Trump Administration, led by the man at the top, has decided that shame is for suckers, have basically set up a challenge to our system. &#8220;Nuh-uh. What you gonna do about it?&#8221; Trump gets away with it backed now by a friendly Senate and having gotten enough trucklers (confident in possible pardons <em>in extremis)<\/em> into important roles in Justice (and, he presumes, SCOTUS), has essentially declared himself beyond any checks from Congress, even when backed by force of law (and certainly if backed by tradition and public shaming).<\/p>\n<p>Interesting times.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you want to know more?\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vox.com\/2019\/6\/4\/18652183\/house-vote-contempt-of-congress-barr-mcgahn\">Contempt of Congress: the House will vote next week &#8211; Vox<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ultimately, Congressional checks are limited against an Administration without shame.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":131986,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[1142,358,1071],"tags":[1077],"class_list":["post-139032","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-elections-2020","category-poor-citizenship","category-trump","tag-trump"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/160114-donald-trump-2-ap-11605B15D.jpgimgmax=660.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":135107,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/10\/20\/joe-arpaio-pardoned-conviction-wont-erased.html","url_meta":{"origin":139032,"position":0},"title":"Joe Arpaio is pardoned, but his conviction won&#8217;t be erased","author":"***Dave","date":"Fri 20-Oct-17 9:30am","format":false,"excerpt":"Good. 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