{"id":14717,"date":"2009-05-05T23:34:12","date_gmt":"2009-05-06T05:34:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=14717"},"modified":"2009-05-05T23:34:16","modified_gmt":"2009-05-06T05:34:16","slug":"wail-whale-wale","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2009\/05\/05\/wail-whale-wale.html","title":{"rendered":"Wail, Whale, Wale"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As in, &#8220;to [WORD] upon someone.&#8221; Which is correct?<\/p>\n<p>Well, <em>wail<\/em> is almost certainly wrong.<\/p>\n<p>Is it <em>whale?<\/em>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>One <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wsu.edu\/~brians\/errors\/wail.html\" target=\"_blank\">high-ranking site<\/a> says yes.<\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\">\n<p>One informal meaning of \u201cwhale\u201d is \u201cto beat.\u201d Huck Finn says of Pap that \u201cHe used to always whale me when he was sober.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Although the vocalist in a band may wail a song, the drummer <i>whales<\/i> on the drums; and lead guitarists when they thrash their instruments wildly <i>whale<\/i> on them.<\/p>\n<p>Although this usage dates back to the 18<sup>th<\/sup> century and used to be common in Britain and America, it is now confined mostly to the U.S., and even there people often mistakenly use \u201cwail\u201d for this meaning.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"> But wait &#8212; <em>wale<\/em> <a href=\"http:\/\/dictionary.reference.com\/browse\/wale\" target=\"_blank\">also seems possible<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\"> <strong>wale<\/strong> (w\u0101l)<br \/> <i>n.<\/i> A mark raised on the skin, as by a whip; a weal or welt.<br \/> <i>v.<\/i> <b><font face=\"arial,sans-serif\" size=\"-1\">waled<\/font><\/b>, <b><font face=\"arial,sans-serif\" size=\"-1\">wal\u00b7ing<\/font><\/b>, <b><font face=\"arial,sans-serif\" size=\"-1\">wales<\/font><\/b> To raise marks on the skin, as by whipping.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"> <a href=\"http:\/\/dictionary.reference.com\/browse\/whale\" target=\"_blank\">On the other hand<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\"> <strong>whale<\/strong>2 [hweyl, weyl]<br \/> \u2013verb, whaled, whal?ing, to hit, thrash, or beat soundly.<br \/> Origin:1780\u201390; orig. uncert.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"> <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/wale\" target=\"_blank\">And yet<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"infl-inline\"><b>to wale<\/b> (<i>third-person singular simple present<\/i> <span class=\"form-of third-person-singular-form-of\"><b><a title=\"wales\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/wales\">wales<\/a><\/b><\/span>, <i>present participle<\/i> <span class=\"form-of present-participle-form-of\"><b><a title=\"waling\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/waling\">waling<\/a><\/b><\/span>, <i>simple past and past participle<\/i> <span class=\"form-of simple-past-and-participle-form-of\"><b><a title=\"waled\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/waled\">waled<\/a><\/b><\/span>)<\/span>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li> To <a title=\"strike\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/strike\">strike<\/a> the <a title=\"skin\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/skin\">skin<\/a> in such a way as to produce a <strong class=\"selflink\">wale<\/strong>.\n<ul>\n<li> <b>1832:<\/b> Owen Felltham, <i>Resolves, Divine, Moral, Political<\/i>\n<dl>\n<dd> Would suffer his lazy rider to bestride his patie: back, with his hands and whip to <b>wale<\/b> his flesh, and with his heels to dig into his hungry bowels?<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<\/li>\n<li> <b>2002:<\/b> Hal Rothman, <i>Neon Metropolis: How Las Vegas Started the Twenty-First Century<\/i>\n<dl>\n<dd> When faced with an adulthood that offered few options, grinding poverty and marriage to a man who drank too much and came home to <b>wale<\/b> on his own family or&#8230;no beatings.<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"> Hmmmm. Anyone else want to weigh in?<\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\">\n<div class=\"sep_top1 shd_hdr1\">\n<div class=\"lunatext results_content\"><strong><span class=\"me\">whale<\/span> <\/strong>(v.)  <\/div>\n<div class=\"body\">&#8220;beat, whip severely,&#8221; 1790, possibly a variant of <a href=\"http:\/\/dictionary.reference.com\/browse\/wale\">wale<\/a> (v.). <\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"result_copyright\">Online Etymology Dictionary, \u00a9 2001 Douglas Harper<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"result_copyright\" dir=\"ltr\">I actually think the original word here is <em>wale.<\/em> At some point, <em>whale<\/em> took on the alternate meaning, since it was a homonym that was known, and big whales seem scary and capable of thrashing one. Now <em>wail<\/em> has come along for the ride (evoking imags of screaming whilst thrashing someone). <\/div>\n<div class=\"result_copyright\" dir=\"ltr\"> <\/div>\n<div class=\"result_copyright\" dir=\"ltr\">In terms of popular voting, on Google <em>wail on<\/em> gets 163K hits, <em>whale on<\/em> gets 261K (but could be part of a different construction), and <em>wale on<\/em> gets about 14K. <\/div>\n<div class=\"result_copyright\" dir=\"ltr\"> <\/div>\n<div class=\"result_copyright\" dir=\"ltr\">Not sure what all that means, but I think it&#8217;s interesting. <\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As in, &#8220;to [WORD] upon someone.&#8221; Which is correct? Well, wail is almost certainly wrong. Is it whale?&nbsp; One high-ranking site says yes. One informal meaning of \u201cwhale\u201d is \u201cto beat.\u201d Huck Finn says of Pap that \u201cHe used to always whale me when he was sober.\u201d Although the vocalist in a band may wail &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2009\/05\/05\/wail-whale-wale.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Wail, Whale, Wale&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[24],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-14717","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-writing-and-language"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":41567,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/03\/31\/no-japans-whale-hunting-is-not-science.html","url_meta":{"origin":14717,"position":0},"title":"No, Japan&#39;s whale hunting is not &quot;science&quot;","author":"***Dave","date":"Mon 31-Mar-14 8:26am","format":false,"excerpt":"It's using \"science\" as a cover for \"we want whale meat.\" \u00a0Or, given how demand has gone down for whale meat, even in Japan, for \"we've now created a government-funded whale hunting industry that will make people unhappy if we stop it.\"Nor do I buy the counter-argument that it's no\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;~PlusPosts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":28396,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/06\/21\/fail-whale-watching.html","url_meta":{"origin":14717,"position":1},"title":"Fail Whale Watching","author":"***Dave","date":"Thu 21-Jun-12 10:53am","format":false,"excerpt":"What's noteworthy about Twitter being down is not just Twitter being down, but Twitter-based services. 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