{"id":15618,"date":"2009-08-20T17:02:31","date_gmt":"2009-08-20T23:02:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=15618"},"modified":"2009-08-20T17:02:59","modified_gmt":"2009-08-20T23:02:59","slug":"its-the-gospel-stupid","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2009\/08\/20\/its-the-gospel-stupid.html","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;It&#8217;s the Gospel, stupid!&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>OneNewsNow is infamously conservative &#8212; so when I saw a pointer to an&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.onenewsnow.com\/Church\/Default.aspx?id=651474\">article<\/a> there about the Lutherans (ELCA) opening up to homosexuality in their church, and a poll about &#8220;Why do some denominations do this?&#8221;, I just had to check it out.<\/p>\n<p>This, ladies and germs, is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.onenewsnow.com\/Poll.aspx?ekfrm=651716\">the poll<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\" dir=\"ltr\">\n<p>Why do you think some denominations choose to accommodate the sin of homosexuality? (related article)<\/p>\n<p>1. Denominational leaders no longer fear God<br \/> 2. Those leaders are choosing to believe a lie<br \/> 3. They want to appear to be more modern and inclusive<br \/> 4. Tolerance of sin has become the new theology<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"> I mean, the number of assumptions and presumptions here is almost breath-taking. Either folks are being sinfully defiant of God, they are willingly being duped, they are trying to be&nbsp;trendy and shallow, or they just plain old like sin. And, of course, it&#8217;s the leaders at fault, not the probably-innocent, just-poorly-led Lutherans.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"> Though perhaps&nbsp;the option choices are&nbsp;cunning &#8212; no chance that unwanted Internet-goers will come here and skew the results to some namby-pamby godless liberal choice.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"> Next up:&nbsp;&#8220;Spider-Man: <em>Threat or Menace?&#8221;<\/em> <br \/> &nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>OneNewsNow is infamously conservative &#8212; so when I saw a pointer to an&nbsp;article there about the Lutherans (ELCA) opening up to homosexuality in their church, and a poll about &#8220;Why do some denominations do this?&#8221;, I just had to check it out. This, ladies and germs, is the poll: Why do you think some denominations &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2009\/08\/20\/its-the-gospel-stupid.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;&#8220;It&#8217;s the Gospel, stupid!&#8221;&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[25,27],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-15618","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-gay-stuff","category-religion"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":28399,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/06\/21\/oppressed-and-oppressors.html","url_meta":{"origin":15618,"position":0},"title":"Oppressed and oppressors","author":"***Dave","date":"Thu 21-Jun-12 12:53pm","format":false,"excerpt":"It is a sad fact that those who have once been oppressed -- bitterly, justly, profoundly oppressed -- do not seem to be immune to the human tendency to make things about \"Us vs Them\" and to make sure that \"Us\" don't have to treat \"Them\" as equals.Thus the irony\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;~PlusPosts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":50096,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/04\/16\/on-denominations-and-non-denominations.html","url_meta":{"origin":15618,"position":1},"title":"On denominations and non-denominations","author":"***Dave","date":"Thu 16-Apr-15 10:54am","format":false,"excerpt":"The rise of non-denominational churches in the US seems to continue, as specific Protestant denominations both traditional (like my own Episcopal) and evangelical continue to shrink and shatter. 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