{"id":160802,"date":"2025-09-11T13:47:29","date_gmt":"2025-09-11T19:47:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=160802"},"modified":"2025-09-11T15:06:47","modified_gmt":"2025-09-11T21:06:47","slug":"charlie-kirk-should-be-forgotten-not-lionized","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2025\/09\/11\/charlie-kirk-should-be-forgotten-not-lionized.html","title":{"rendered":"Charlie Kirk should be forgotten, not lionized"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Charlie Kirk should not have been killed because killing humans is, as a rule, wrong and evil. There are arguable exceptions for that &#8212; self-defense against an immediately dangerous threat being the most accepted &#8212; but even then, killing should be taken seriously and not celebrated.<\/p>\n<p>But that doesn&#8217;t mean he deserves (more than any other murder victim) <a href=\"https:\/\/www.axios.com\/2025\/09\/11\/charlie-kirk-shooting-house-boebert-luna\">a moment of prayer on the US House floor<\/a>, or to have <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/charlie-kirk-flown-air-force-two-arizona\/\">the US VP escort his body home on Air Force 2<\/a>, or to be given <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nbcnews.com\/politics\/donald-trump\/trump-says-will-posthumously-award-charlie-kirk-presidential-medal-fre-rcna230581\">Presidential Medals<\/a>. Charlie Kirk was sorry, maliciouis, bellicose excuse for a human, and his message of grievance, contempt, and hatred will not be missed (if only because others will continue to shriek it).<\/p>\n<p>Kirk hated &#8212; and would gleefully have seen unequalized, ghettoized, jailed, committed, or killed &#8212; racial and ethnic minorities, Jews and other non-Christians, LGBTQ folk, and more. His speech was hate speech, plain and simple, full of wishes for violence and oppression of those he loathed. Ironically, the use of violence to silence his opponents would be right on brand for him (another indicator of why it&#8217;s wrong).<\/p>\n<p>Charlie Kirk should not have been killed, but he should, in any rational, civilized, and sane society have been ostracized. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.erininthemorning.com\/p\/we-must-not-posthumously-sanitize\">He deserves to sink into the silent cess pit of forgotten demagogues<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Killing people is bad. &#8220;Nil nisi bonum&#8221; is also bad.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"none","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[350,715,25,380,358,740,110],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-160802","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-civil-liberties","category-crime-punishment","category-gay-stuff","category-nationalism-exceptionalism","category-poor-citizenship","category-race-racism","category-religious-zanies"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":160831,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2025\/09\/18\/the-charlie-kirk-halo-effect-continues-to-expand.html","url_meta":{"origin":160802,"position":0},"title":"The Charlie Kirk halo effect continues to expand","author":"***Dave","date":"Thu 18-Sep-25 9:18am","format":false,"excerpt":"The government is threatening media outlets that criticize them. 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The number is actually smaller than you might think!https:\/\/www.kickstarter.com\/projects\/336065921\/ladies-of-kirkHow many of the 19 can you name?(Complements to Bill Theiss, of course, the costume\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;~PlusPosts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/Ladies%2Bof%2BKirk%2B1920x1080.jpgimgmax%3D660.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/Ladies%2Bof%2BKirk%2B1920x1080.jpgimgmax%3D660.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/Ladies%2Bof%2BKirk%2B1920x1080.jpgimgmax%3D660.jpg?resize=525%2C300&ssl=1 1.5x"},"classes":[]},{"id":33805,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/05\/15\/rooting-for-kirk.html","url_meta":{"origin":160802,"position":2},"title":"Rooting for Kirk","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 15-May-13 9:31am","format":false,"excerpt":"Having recently rewatched ST:TOS with my daughter, Kirk is certainly a bundle of paradoxes (not helped by writing styles and irregularity during the course of that late '60s series). \u00a0He's the hero -- because he's presented at the hero. 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