{"id":1767,"date":"2002-05-01T13:42:30","date_gmt":"2002-05-01T18:42:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/?p=1767"},"modified":"2013-06-04T22:42:08","modified_gmt":"2013-06-05T04:42:08","slug":"just_the_thing-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2002\/05\/01\/just_the_thing-2.html","title":{"rendered":"Just the thing I need, how nice &#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>TV Guide learned a long time ago that &#8220;List&#8221; issues are big sellers. The Top Ten Comedies. The Top Twenty Dramas. The Twenty-Five Best TV Actors. The list goes on, and on, and on, until you&#8217;re sure you saw that cover blurb a year or two ago. And maybe you did.<\/p>\n<p>So the latest-greatest is, in honor of the magazine&#8217;s 50th Anniversary, a list of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tvguide.com\/50th\/features\/020429a.asp\">Fifty Greatest Television Shows of All Time<\/a> &#8212; at least as produced and broadcast in the US.<\/p>\n<p>The list (and my inevitable thoughts):<\/p>\n<p>1. <b>Seinfeld <\/b>(Never have figured out the attraction.)<\/p>\n<p>2. <b>I Love Lucy<\/b> (This, on the other hand, was a true classic.)<\/p>\n<p>3. <b>The Honeymooners<\/b> (See #1. Gleason just never did it for me.)<\/p>\n<p>4. <b>All in the Family<\/b> (Groundbreaking, I guess.)<\/p>\n<p>5. <b>The Sopranos<\/b> (Any show less than five years old &#8212; or even any show still in production &#8212; should be excluded from such a list, sez I. That having been said, badda-bing, I&#8217;ve enjoyed all two episodes I&#8217;ve watched on business trips.)<\/p>\n<p>6. <b>60 Minutes<\/b> (Groundbreaking news show. Hell, I remember watching this when I was still living with my parents!)<\/p>\n<p>7. <b>The Late Show with David Letterman<\/b> (I&#8217;d rather give the nod to Johnny (#12). Or even Steve.)<\/p>\n<p>8. <b>The Simpsons<\/b> (Yup.)<\/p>\n<p>9. <b>The Andy Griffith Show<\/b> (Never have cared for it.)<\/p>\n<p>10. <b>Saturday Night Live<\/b> (Certainly wins the &#8220;This Show Will Be Cancelled After This Season&#8221; Anti-Prediction Award.)<\/p>\n<p>11. <b>The Mary Tyler Moore Show<\/b> (Triffic stuff.)<\/p>\n<p>12. <b>The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson<\/b> (Never watched it much, but it was a seminal show in its influence both on talk shows, on comedy, and on late-night TV.)<\/p>\n<p>13. <b>The Dick Van Dyke Show<\/b> (Probably one of the most brilliant comedies ever.)<\/p>\n<p>14. <b>Hill Street Blues<\/b> (As a trend-setter for grim-n-gritty, sure.)<\/p>\n<p>15. <b>The Ed Sullivan Show<\/b> (No comment.)<\/p>\n<p>16. <b>The Carol Burnett Show<\/b> (Was to the Variety Show what Dick Van Dyke was to the sitcom.)<\/p>\n<p>17. <b>Today Show<\/b> (No comment.)<\/p>\n<p>18. <b>Cheers<\/b> (Never much cared for it. The characters spent way too much time being mean to each other.)<\/p>\n<p>19. <b>thirtysomething<\/b> (No comment.)<\/p>\n<p>20. <b>St. Elsewhere<\/b> (Was to doctor shows what HSB was to cop shows. Great, great stuff.)<\/p>\n<p>21. <b>Friends<\/b> (Another show I have never &#8220;gotten.&#8221;)<\/p>\n<p>22. <b>ER<\/b> (At least they had the decency to rank it below St. E.)<\/p>\n<p>23. <b>Nightline<\/b> (No comment.)<\/p>\n<p>24. <b>Law &amp; Order<\/b> (Entertaining, yes. Long-lived, absolutely. One of the greatest? Feh.)<\/p>\n<p>25. <b>M*A*S*H<\/b> (The Tragicomedy. Good, solid stuff, even if it got preachy as time went on.)<\/p>\n<p>26. <b>The Twilight Zone<\/b> (Give me the Outer Limits any day. But I&#8217;ll take the nod to sf\/fantasy.)<\/p>\n<p>27. <b>Sesame Street<\/b> (No comment.)<\/p>\n<p>28. <b>The Cosby Show<\/b> (Entertaining, but I liked Bill on a number of other shows he did a lot better. I, Spy, anyone?)<\/p>\n<p>29. <b>Donahue<\/b> (No comment, except to note that his successors in the talk show arena make Donahue look like Einstein.)<\/p>\n<p>30. <b>Your Show of Shows<\/b> (No comment.)<\/p>\n<p>31. <b>The Defenders<\/b> (No comment.)<\/p>\n<p>32. <b>American Family<\/b> (No comment.)<\/p>\n<p>33. <b>Playhouse 90<\/b> (No comment.)<\/p>\n<p>34. <b>Frasier<\/b> (See #18.)<\/p>\n<p>35. <b>Roseanne<\/b> (See #18.)<\/p>\n<p>36. <b>The Fugitive<\/b> (Probably the best of the QM herd. Great, audience-gripping action, formulaic as all hell, and a marvelous herd of guest stars. This one deserves to rank higher.)<\/p>\n<p>37. <b>The X-Files<\/b> (Another show I never got into. Given that folks have said it&#8217;s sucked for the past few seasons, I&#8217;m not sure how it ranks here, except as a cult classic.)<\/p>\n<p>38. <b>The Larry Sanders Show<\/b> (Funny.)<\/p>\n<p>39. <b>The Rockford Files<\/b> (I&#8217;d prefer Maverick, but they&#8217;re basically both the James Garner Show, so I&#8217;ll take it. But the greatest?)<\/p>\n<p>40. <b>Gunsmoke<\/b> (No comment.)<\/p>\n<p>41. <b>Buffy the Vampire Slayer<\/b> (Damned sight better than a lot of the ones ranked above it.)<\/p>\n<p>42. <b>Rowan &amp; Martin&#8217;s Laugh-In<\/b> (Okay.)<\/p>\n<p>43. <b>Bonanza<\/b> (One of the better westerns, which is not saying much.)<\/p>\n<p>44. <b>The Bob Newhart Show<\/b> (I can&#8217;t believe this one ranks below Cheers, Frazier, Roseanne &#8230; It&#8217;s another MTM classic.)<\/p>\n<p>45. <b>Twin Peaks<\/b> (Cult classic. Yawn.)<\/p>\n<p>46. <b>Star Trek: The Next Generation<\/b> (I&#8217;d rate the first three seasons of DS9 as better than any season of TNG &#8230; but I&#8217;d probably have to rate TOS as the best of the franchise, all told. And Farscape beats any of them, hands down.)<\/p>\n<p>47. <b>Rocky and His Friends<\/b> (This should be in the Top 20.)<\/p>\n<p>48. <b>Taxi<\/b> (Another show I never understood. If you want dark, urban comedy, how about Night Court?)<\/p>\n<p>49. <b>The Oprah Winfrey Show<\/b> (No comment.)<\/p>\n<p>50. <b>Bewitched<\/b> (What?!)<\/p>\n<p>You can also go vote for the Best Single Series of All Time at the site. <i>Dick Van Dyke <\/i>got my vote.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>TV Guide learned a long time ago that &#8220;List&#8221; issues are big sellers. The Top Ten Comedies. The Top Twenty Dramas. The Twenty-Five Best TV Actors. 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