{"id":18133,"date":"2010-08-16T18:45:46","date_gmt":"2010-08-17T00:45:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=18133"},"modified":"2014-11-05T14:50:45","modified_gmt":"2014-11-05T21:50:45","slug":"and-now-with-todays-ration-of-holy-fearmongering","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2010\/08\/16\/and-now-with-todays-ration-of-holy-fearmongering.html","title":{"rendered":"And now with today&#8217;s ration of Holy Fearmongering"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>One of the favorite Christian hymns out there is &#8220;Be Not Afraid&#8221; &#8230;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Be not afraid.<br \/>\nI go before you always;<br \/>\nCome follow me,<br \/>\nand I will give you rest.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/members.cox.net\/rss1910\/blessing.html\">It, and its verses<\/a>, are based mostly on phrases from Isaiah, with a bit of Matthew and Joshua thrown in.\u00a0 It&#8217;s a lovely tune I hear in various denominations, comforting and loving.<\/p>\n<p>And yet, so much of the Vocal Right amongst Christianity seems driven by fear, and driven to spread that fear amongst the faithful.\u00a0 Unlike the angels that came to the shepherds, their message is one of panic and tidings of doom.<\/p>\n<p>Take for example &#8230; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnsnews.com\/news\/article\/71107\">CNSNews.com &#8211; Prop 8 Ruling Could Criminalize Christianity, Leaders Warn<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"img-shadow-right\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Church and State\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/images\/church-and-state.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" height=\"121\" \/><\/div>\n<p>Yes, you didn&#8217;t know it, but Judge Vaughn Walker declared Christianity illegal in California, and called for the creation of a Gay Police to hunt down Christians and send them off to internment camps.\u00a0 You won&#8217;t find that in the actual judgment, of course, but &#8220;Leaders&#8221; clearly have the Secret, Unredacted Version of the ruling.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>(CNSNews.com)<\/strong> \u2013 Religious leaders warn that if\u00a0an Aug. 6\u00a0ruling  by a federal judge on same-sex marriage is upheld, it could wind up  putting a gag on Christians speaking out\u00a0about homosexuality \u2013\u00a0a gag  that a top Southern Baptist leader says\u00a0his denomination will  not\u00a0accept.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>Yes, a federal judge has outlawed Freedom of Speech and of Religion.\u00a0 That&#8217;s pretty darned impressive.<\/p>\n<p>In a 136-page <a href=\"https:\/\/ecf.cand.uscourts.gov\/cand\/09cv2292\/files\/09cv2292-ORDER.pdf\">decision<\/a> barring California\u2019s Proposition 8, which limited marriage to one man  and one woman, U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker found that \u201cReligious  beliefs that gay and lesbian relationships are sinful or inferior to  heterosexual relationships harm gays and lesbians.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Yes? And this is untrue because &#8230;?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mathew Staver, dean of the Liberty University Law School and chairman of  the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, said Walker&#8217;s\u00a0finding is shocking,  and, if upheld, would have ominous implications for Christians wanting  to present the Bible\u2019s position on homosexuality.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s an astounding statement by a judge, and if that finding were to be  upheld, it would criminalize Christian beliefs, because the Bible and  Christian beliefs historically have clearly indicated that homosexuality  is sex outside of marriage \u2013 and is contrary to God\u2019s design,\u201d Staver  told CNSNews.com.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And that doesn&#8217;t harm gays? Especially when it then is used to deprive their relationships of legal recognition?<\/p>\n<p>What if a Muslim imam declared that marriages not held in the name of Allah were not true marriages, and therefore all Christian marriages were fornication and unlawful?\u00a0 What if Muslim churches banded together to put forward a ballot measure to outlaw Christian marriages, claiming that Christians were banding together only to create and recruit new Christians from among children?\u00a0 Would that be harmful to Christians?<\/p>\n<p>Sure it would.\u00a0 And I suspect Dean Staver would be asking a judge to block any such law, even if the imams were declaring that doing so would possibly &#8220;criminalize Islamic beliefs.&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>He added: \u201cFor this judge to say that Christian beliefs or religious  beliefs contrary to homosexuality are actually harmful &#8212; what that  essentially says is, that if that\u2019s the case, then you\u2019ve got to change  your religious beliefs, and if you don\u2019t, you\u2019re going to be penalized  as result. That is a very dangerous aspect of this court decision.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/fredphelpsies2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-18138\" title=\"fredphelpsies2\" src=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/fredphelpsies2-300x215.jpg\" alt=\"God is  Love, right?\" width=\"300\" height=\"215\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/fredphelpsies2-300x215.jpg 300w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/fredphelpsies2-160x114.jpg 160w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/fredphelpsies2-75x53.jpg 75w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/fredphelpsies2.jpg 440w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 85vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>But that&#8217;s where Freedom of Religion comes in.\u00a0 It&#8217;s extraordinarily difficult for the government in this country to rein in religious expression of any sort.\u00a0 Even a hateful lunatic like Fred Phelps is able to send his brood out to preach his venomous faith.\u00a0 If the Phelpsies can&#8217;t be quashed, I&#8217;m really not worried about the Southern Baptists ability to continue to hold forth from the pulpit.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The judge based his finding on testimony of witnesses produced by the  plaintiffs and on quotations from documents from the Roman Catholic  Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, the Evangelical Presbyterian  Church, the\u00a0Orthodox Church and the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod.<\/p>\n<p>One Catholic document that the judge\u00a0said \u201churts\u201d homosexuals, published  by the Congregation for the Doctine of the Faith, titled  \u201cConsiderations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions  Between Homosexual Persons,\u201d states: \u201cSacred Scripture condemns  homosexual acts as \u2018a serious depravity.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Another document he cited\u00a0&#8212; a resolution the Southern Baptist  Convention passed in June of 2003 &#8212; says: \u201cLegalizing \u2018same-sex  marriage\u2019 would convey a societal approval of a homosexual lifestyle,  which the Bible calls sinful and dangerous both to the individuals  involved and to society at large.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Yeah, those sound pretty harmful.\u00a0 If I had folks preaching about my &#8220;serious depravity&#8221; and how I was a danger &#8220;to society at large,&#8221; and those sorts of beliefs were leading both to legislation and harassment,\u00a0 I think I&#8217;d consider myself harmed.<\/p>\n<p>(The decision, btw, is <a href=\"http:\/\/metroweekly.com\/poliglot\/2010\/08\/04\/Perry%20Trial%20Decision.pdf\">here<\/a>. This particular finding of fact is #77, found on page 103, l. 8 of the ruling.)<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Dr. Richard Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberties  Commission (ERLC) of the Southern Baptist Convention, said the judge&#8217;s  finding was disturbing, but predictable &#8212; his denomination had filed a  \u201cfriend of the Court\u201d to challenge the finding even before the decision  was\u00a0issued.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe filed an amicus brief case in this case because we had already heard  that this was out there, and that the people who were making the appeal  to overturn Proposition 8 were going to say that the religious beliefs  of Southern Baptists and Roman Catholics and other groups \u2018create an  animus\u2019 and were \u2018the products of centuries of hate,\u2019\u201d\u00a0 Land said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Note that neither &#8220;create an animus&#8221; nor &#8220;products of centuries of hate&#8221; are in Judge Walker&#8217;s ruling.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The biblical position on homosexuality\u00a0isn&#8217;t \u201chate speech,\u201d\u00a0he said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Nor is the term &#8220;hate speech.&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cThe confession of faith of the Southern Baptist Convention, which  states what the Bible says about the family and about marriage \u2013 those  are not the products of centuries of hate or animus toward homosexuals.  They are adherence to the revealed teachings of the Creator of the  universe &#8212; God Almighty. These are religious affirmations of revealed  truth,\u201d Land said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And you are certainly welcome, Dr. Land, to preach on that topic every day and twice on Sunday to your followers.\u00a0 What you cannot expect is that your beliefs about what teachings have been revealed by God Almighty can be enshrined in the law of the state based on nothing other than your say-so, nor even based on what a majority of the state of California believe about God&#8217;s will.\u00a0 You need something a bit more substantive, in the face of the Constitutional rights you&#8217;re so willing to traditionally trample.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cIt is quite clear that God condemns same-sex relations as particularly  abhorrent. And if that is indeed the case, and we believe it is, it is  an act of love towards those who are engaged in such relationships to  tell them that they are violating the most sacred laws of God,\u201d he said.  \u201cIt would be indifference \u2013 or worse \u2013 to not tell them.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I<em>t is quite clear that God condemns conjugal relations between the races as particularly   abhorrent. And if that is indeed the case, and we believe it is, it is   an act of love towards those who are engaged in such relationships to   tell them that they are violating the most sacred laws of God. It would be indifference \u2013 or worse \u2013 to not tell them.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Yes, you could once find people who would very seriously and earnestly and, they would claim, lovingly make that argument, citing Scripture to their purpose.\u00a0 Heck, you still can.\u00a0 No churches have been shut down that preach racial separation.\u00a0 You can find them in far too many places, in fact. Recognition that such treatment is a violation of Due Process and Equal Protection didn&#8217;t lead to an abandonment of the Freedom of Religion.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Christian counselor Joe Dallas, who operates a center that uses  Scripture to counsel people on homosexuality, is concerned about the  implications of the judge&#8217;s finding.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Counselor, counsel thyself.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cFor a judge to say that it is literally damaging to homosexual people  when churches simply express and maintain a clearly defined biblical  approach to homosexuality, is to introduce\u00a0the concept that the \u2018damage\u2019  that\u2019s being done to homosexuals needs to be stopped. That damage will  have to be stopped by silencing the Church,\u201d Dallas said. \u201cThere\u2019s  really no other way to read that particular finding.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Really?\u00a0 Tell it to the Phelpsies (and their victims).\u00a0 As noted, nobody&#8217;s silenced them.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/devilisgaybook.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-18135\" title=\"devilisgaybook\" src=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/devilisgaybook.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"250\" height=\"399\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/devilisgaybook.jpg 250w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/devilisgaybook-100x160.jpg 100w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 250px) 85vw, 250px\" \/><\/a>And, of course, please give the &#8220;the Church&#8221; moniker a rest.\u00a0 As much as you&#8217;d like to pretend there some sort of grand orthodoxy on the matter that all Right-Thinking Christians (i.e., the only True Christians) believe, there are plenty who call themselves Christian who are willing and do preach for equality for gays.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A former gay activist, Dallas said he came out of the homosexual  lifestyle in 1984 precisely because of the Bible\u2019s injunction against  homosexuality.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBy 1984, I had been an active member of the gay community for about six  years. I also was a Christian and I realized I was going to have to  make a choice between obedience to the teachings of the Scripture \u2013 or  expression of my sexual feelings,\u201d he told CNSNews.com.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cA clear look at the Scripture and a re-evaluation of my faith reminded  me that my relationship with God was far more important than sexual  satisfaction. And so, I pursued a life of repentance from homosexuality  and abstinence from any sort of sexual behavior outside of marriage,\u201d he  said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And more power to you, if you feel it brings you happiness and joy and closeness to God.\u00a0 Now &#8230; why do you feel it&#8217;s right to use the power of the state to coerce others away from a lifestyle you say you made a religious decision to leave?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The author of 11 books on Christianity and sexuality, Dallas said he  would not want to see a law passed requiring all people to make the same  decision he did.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut believe me there are many other men and women who have made a  similar decision and I have had the honor of working with them over the  years,\u201d Dallas said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But while you have, for the moment, decided against a law compelling gays to become a part of your religious faith and abstain from sexual activity, you have decided apparently in favor of a law that forbids the state &#8212; not you, not your denominational brethren, but the civil government &#8212; from recognizing the committed relationships between two adults, solely on a religious basis.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cClear biblical teaching on human sexuality did not damage us,\u201d he said.  \u201cAnd let me say this plainly: clear biblical teaching on human  sexuality does not damage anyone. Can that teaching be misapplied? Can  people use it as an excuse to harm people? Well, of course \u2013 but the  same could be said about clear biblical teaching on parenting children.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So <em>clear <\/em>teaching is okay and harmless, but <em>misapplied <\/em>teaching can in fact be harmful.\u00a0 Good to know.\u00a0 If only everyone had some objective, rational, scientific basis for accepting your &#8220;clear&#8221; Biblical teaching such that there was a justification for the law other than &#8220;We think this is what God wants us to do.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Of course, one person&#8217;s &#8220;clear&#8221; teaching is someone else&#8217;s &#8220;misapplied&#8221; teaching.\u00a0 If not, then there would be no divisions within Christianity, right?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cMost people, whether Christian or non-Christian, would agree that  parents should have authority over their children and that there should  be consequences for misbehavior when children misbehave. Now some people  have misused that authority as an excuse to physically abuse their  children, but we wouldn\u2019t be silly enough to say that because a small  minority has misused that teaching and caused harm, that therefore the  majority should abandon that teaching \u2013 and the same is true here.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Um &#8230; no.\u00a0 The two cases have nothing to do with each other, except being another reason to foster fear that the Evil Godless Obamanation State Will Come And Take Away Our Children (and Give Them To The Gays).<\/p>\n<p>In fact, the opposite would seem to be true.\u00a0 Just as Mr. Dallas would  presumably argue that good parents would raise their children to love  and obey God, would he therefore suggest that parents that do not do so  (either not raising their children in a religious household or raising  them in the &#8220;wrong kind&#8221; of religion) aren&#8217;t true parents at all and  ought not to have their parental rights recognized by the state?\u00a0 Presuming the answer is no, then why should the state similarly discriminate in marriage laws based on Mr. Dallas&#8217; religious beliefs?<\/p>\n<p>I mean, really &#8212; nobody is saying that churches cannot preach against homosexuality, let alone recognize a gay marriage as being sincerely blessed by God and part of His Plan. But the state recognizes marriages every day that have nothing to do with God (or with the Southern Baptist conception of Him) &#8212; why do they get a pass but gay marriages don&#8217;t?\u00a0 That&#8217;s part of what Judge Walker was saying.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The ERLC&#8217;s Land, meanwhile, said\u00a0Southern Baptists\u00a0will not change their  position on homosexuality, and will not bow to political correctness &#8212;  even if\u00a0U.S. courts\u00a0ever rule that\u00a0they must.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/fredphelpsies.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-18136\" title=\"fredphelpsies\" src=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/fredphelpsies-189x300.jpg\" alt=\"The Fred Phelps crew\" width=\"189\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/fredphelpsies-189x300.jpg 189w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/fredphelpsies-101x160.jpg 101w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/fredphelpsies-47x75.jpg 47w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/fredphelpsies.jpg 316w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 189px) 85vw, 189px\" \/><\/a>Nor has anyone suggested, legally, that they should, or that the courts ever would, or that such a court ruling would be Constitutional.\u00a0 I mean, you can preach that blacks are subhuman creatures that should be returned to slavery, or that women are inferior to men and ought to be kept pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen, or that blogs are the tool of the devil and bloggers are all destined to roast in the Fiery Furnace.\u00a0 And you can get people to believe you and act on your beliefs and lynch blacks and beat women and tar-and-feather bloggers, and you will still be protected by the First Amendment <em>unless <\/em>someone can tie you to directly, intentionally, inciting a specific crime.<\/p>\n<p>(Saying &#8220;Gays are perverted spawn of Satan who want to rape your children&#8221; is clearly insufficient; it&#8217;s not even clear that pointing at someone in particular and saying, &#8220;That faggot ought to be killed before he rapes and eats your grandpa for Satan&#8221; and your followers actually do so &#8230; still might not be enough.)<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cLet me spell it out for you, If they say that telling what the Bible  says about homosexuality is hate speech, and cannot be allowed &#8212; we  will be arrested in our pulpits. We will obey God rather than man,\u201d he  told CNSNews.com.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Brave words, Dr. Land.\u00a0 If you really believe that&#8217;s what&#8217;s coming, then I fear you are sorely mistaken, and have little understanding of the Constitution.\u00a0 If you don&#8217;t, then they are empty mouthings to incite fear (and, no doubt, donations) amongst the faithful &#8230; and that&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=joshua+1%3A9\">hardly a Biblical stance<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div id=\"_mcePaste\" style=\"position: absolute; left: -10000px; top: 0px; width: 1px; height: 1px; overflow: hidden;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnsnews.com\/news\/article\/71107\">(CNSNews.com) \u2013 Religious leaders warn that if an Aug. 6 ruling by a federal judge on same-sex marriage is upheld, it could wind up putting a gag on Christians speaking out about homosexuality \u2013 a gag that a top Southern Baptist leader says his denomination will not accept.    In a 136-page decision barring California\u2019s Proposition 8, which limited marriage to one man and one woman, U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker found that \u201cReligious beliefs that gay and lesbian relationships are sinful or inferior to heterosexual relationships harm gays and lesbians.\u201d    Mathew Staver, dean of the Liberty University Law School and chairman of the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, said Walker&#8217;s finding is shocking, and, if upheld, would have ominous implications for Christians wanting to present the Bible\u2019s position on homosexuality.    \u201cIt\u2019s an astounding statement by a judge, and if that finding were to be upheld, it would criminalize Christian beliefs, because the Bible and Christian beliefs historically have clearly indicated that homosexuality is sex outside of marriage \u2013 and is contrary to God\u2019s design,\u201d Staver told CNSNews.com.    He added: \u201cFor this judge to say that Christian beliefs or religious beliefs contrary to homosexuality are actually harmful &#8212; what that essentially says is, that if that\u2019s the case, then you\u2019ve got to change your religious beliefs, and if you don\u2019t, you\u2019re going to be penalized as result. That is a very dangerous aspect of this court decision.\u201d    The judge based his finding on testimony of witnesses produced by the plaintiffs and on quotations from documents from the Roman Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, the Evangelical Presbyterian Church, the Orthodox Church and the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod.    One Catholic document that the judge said \u201churts\u201d homosexuals, published by the Congregation for the Doctine of the Faith, titled \u201cConsiderations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions Between Homosexual Persons,\u201d states: \u201cSacred Scripture condemns homosexual acts as \u2018a serious depravity.\u2019\u201d    Another document he cited &#8212; a resolution the Southern Baptist Convention passed in June of 2003 &#8212; says: \u201cLegalizing \u2018same-sex marriage\u2019 would convey a societal approval of a homosexual lifestyle, which the Bible calls sinful and dangerous both to the individuals involved and to society at large.\u201d    Dr. Richard Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberties Commission (ERLC) of the Southern Baptist Convention, said the judge&#8217;s finding was disturbing, but predictable &#8212; his denomination had filed a \u201cfriend of the Court\u201d to challenge the finding even before the decision was issued.    \u201cWe filed an amicus brief case in this case because we had already heard that this was out there, and that the people who were making the appeal to overturn Proposition 8 were going to say that the religious beliefs of Southern Baptists and Roman Catholics and other groups \u2018create an animus\u2019 and were \u2018the products of centuries of hate,\u2019\u201d Land said.    The biblical position on homosexuality isn&#8217;t \u201chate speech,\u201d he said.    \u201cThe confession of faith of the Southern Baptist Convention, which states what the Bible says about the family and about marriage \u2013 those are not the products of centuries of hate or animus toward homosexuals. They are adherence to the revealed teachings of the Creator of the universe &#8212; God Almighty. These are religious affirmations of revealed truth,\u201d Land said.    \u201cIt is quite clear that God condemns same-sex relations as particularly abhorrent. And if that is indeed the case, and we believe it is, it is an act of love towards those who are engaged in such relationships to tell them that they are violating the most sacred laws of God,\u201d he said. \u201cIt would be indifference \u2013 or worse \u2013 to not tell them.\u201d    Christian counselor Joe Dallas, who operates a center that uses Scripture to counsel people on homosexuality, is concerned about the implications of the judge&#8217;s finding.    \u201cFor a judge to say that it is literally damaging to homosexual people when churches simply express and maintain a clearly defined biblical approach to homosexuality, is to introduce the concept that the \u2018damage\u2019 that\u2019s being done to homosexuals needs to be stopped. That damage will have to be stopped by silencing the Church,\u201d Dallas said. \u201cThere\u2019s really no other way to read that particular finding.\u201d    A former gay activist, Dallas said he came out of the homosexual lifestyle in 1984 precisely because of the Bible\u2019s injunction against homosexuality.    \u201cBy 1984, I had been an active member of the gay community for about six years. I also was a Christian and I realized I was going to have to make a choice between obedience to the teachings of the Scripture \u2013 or expression of my sexual feelings,\u201d he told CNSNews.com.    \u201cA clear look at the Scripture and a re-evaluation of my faith reminded me that my relationship with God was far more important than sexual satisfaction. And so, I pursued a life of repentance from homosexuality and abstinence from any sort of sexual behavior outside of marriage,\u201d he said.    The author of 11 books on Christianity and sexuality, Dallas said he would not want to see a law passed requiring all people to make the same decision he did.    \u201cBut believe me there are many other men and women who have made a similar decision and I have had the honor of working with them over the years,\u201d Dallas said.    \u201cClear biblical teaching on human sexuality did not damage us,\u201d he said. \u201cAnd let me say this plainly: clear biblical teaching on human sexuality does not damage anyone. Can that teaching be misapplied? Can people use it as an excuse to harm people? Well, of course \u2013 but the same could be said about clear biblical teaching on parenting children.    \u201cMost people, whether Christian or non-Christian, would agree that parents should have authority over their children and that there should be consequences for misbehavior when children misbehave. Now some people have misused that authority as an excuse to physically abuse their children, but we wouldn\u2019t be silly enough to say that because a small minority has misused that teaching and caused harm, that therefore the majority should abandon that teaching \u2013 and the same is true here.\u201d    The ERLC&#8217;s Land, meanwhile, said Southern Baptists will not change their position on homosexuality, and will not bow to political correctness &#8212; even if U.S. courts ever rule that they must.    \u201cLet me spell it out for you, If they say that telling what the Bible says about homosexuality is hate speech, and cannot be allowed &#8212; we will be arrested in our pulpits. We will obey God rather than man,\u201d he told CNSNews.com.<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of the favorite Christian hymns out there is &#8220;Be Not Afraid&#8221; &#8230; Be not afraid. I go before you always; Come follow me, and I will give you rest. 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