{"id":19265,"date":"2010-11-19T00:32:28","date_gmt":"2010-11-19T07:32:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=19265"},"modified":"2014-07-23T07:27:44","modified_gmt":"2014-07-23T13:27:44","slug":"bryan-fischer-is-a-dolt-feminized-heroism-edition","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2010\/11\/19\/bryan-fischer-is-a-dolt-feminized-heroism-edition.html","title":{"rendered":"Bryan Fischer is a Dolt: Feminized Heroism Edition"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-18159\" title=\"Bryan Fischer, Dolt\" src=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/bryanfischer.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/bryanfischer.jpg 320w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/bryanfischer-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/bryanfischer-160x120.jpg 160w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/bryanfischer-75x56.jpg 75w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 320px) 85vw, 320px\" \/>I really tried to stay away. Honest. \u00a0Yet Bryan Fischer pulled me back in, after (a) posting that<a href=\"http:\/\/www.afa.net\/Blogs\/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147500421\"> the Congressional Medal of Honor has been &#8220;feminized&#8221;<\/a> because it&#8217;s being awarded to people who save lives, vs. just people who kill a bunch of the Bad Guys, then (b) posting a<a href=\"http:\/\/www.afa.net\/Blogs\/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147500577\"> lengthy, defensive, and simultaneously offensive rebuttal<\/a> to those who informed him that he was a dolt.<\/p>\n<p>The re-rebuttal begins &#8230;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The blowback to my column of two days ago, in which I argued that we seem to have become reluctant to award the Medal of Honor to those who take aggressive action against the enemy and kill bad guys, has been fierce. It has been angry, vituperative, hate-filled, and laced with both profanity and blasphemy.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Hmmm &#8230; angry, vituperative, hate-filled, laced with concepts profane and blasphemous &#8230; I think you&#8217;re projecting, Bryan &#8230;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>What is striking here is that readers who have reacted so viscerally to what I wrote apparently didn\u2019t read it, or only read the parts that ticked them off. I\u2019m guessing a fair amount of the reaction has come from those who didn\u2019t actually read the column, but read what others said about the column. It\u2019s been fascinating to watch.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Okay, let me go back and read the column &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; um &#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; okay, yeah, I have a visceral reaction all right. \u00a0I think I&#8217;m going to lose my dinner.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>For clarification, here are excerpts from my first column in which I clearly state that it is altogether right that we honor heroism and bravery when it is expressed in self sacrifice:<\/p>\n<p><em>The Medal of Honor will be awarded this afternoon to Army Staff Sgt. Salvatore Giunta for his heroism in Afghanistan, and deservedly so. He took a bullet in his protective vest as he pulled one soldier to safety, and then rescued the sergeant who was walking point and had been taken captive by two Taliban, whom Sgt. Giunta shot to free his comrade-in-arms.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>This is just the eighth Medal of Honor awarded during our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Sgt. Giunta is the only one who lived long enough to receive his medal in person&#8230;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Jesus, in words often cited in ceremonies such as the one which will take place this afternoon, said, \u201cGreater love has no one than this, that someone lays down his life for his friends\u201d (John 15:13). So it is entirely right that we honor this kind of bravery and self-sacrifice, which is surely an imitation of the Lord of Lords and King of Kings.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m not sure there is a clearer or more forceful way for me to say it than I did right there, that we surely ought to continue doing what we have done, which is to grant our highest award for valor to those who risk their lives and even forfeit them, as our Lord and Savior did, in defending the lives of their friends.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>Some have accused me of denigrating awards for such valor, which is nonsense, as the words above attest. I can hardly be rightly accused of denigrating an award given to those who I believe exemplify the courage and self-sacrifice of the Savior of the world. I have no doubt that I will continue to be accused of this, but such accusations are entirely without merit.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That&#8217;s a very nice spin on it, Bryan, but it just won&#8217;t fly. \u00a0Yes, you say that&#8217;s all awfully nice and all &#8230; but then you turn around and indicate that it&#8217;s not enough. \u00a0No, it&#8217;s not enough that we honor &#8220;those who risk their lives and even forfeit them &#8230; defending the lives of their friends&#8221; &#8212; if we&#8217;re not making a point to be honoring people who do so as they &#8220;kill people and break things.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Even the very nice reference to Jesus \u00a0gets this part added in the previous column:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>However, Jesus\u2019 act of self-sacrifice would ultimately have been meaningless &#8211; yes, meaningless &#8211; if he had not inflicted a mortal wound on the enemy while giving up his own life. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The significance of the cross is not just that Jesus laid down his life for us, but that he defeated the enemy of our souls in the process. It was on the cross that he crushed the head of the serpent. It was on the cross that \u201che disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in it\u201d (Colossians 2:15).<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It&#8217;s only important that Jesus died in order to crush his enemy. \u00a0Saving us is nice, but &#8220;meaningless.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>One can imagine &#8212; in fact, whole theologies, some of them very orthodox, have maintained &#8212; that Jesus&#8217; death was not an &#8220;attack,&#8221; but a &#8220;rescue&#8221; &#8230; a throwing himself \u00a0on a spiritual grenade of sin and death, perhaps, or running into the burning building of hell to bring out one more lost soul, or being the sacrificial man at the last ditch, whose actions allow his fellows to get away.<\/p>\n<p>Lots of ways you can see Jesus&#8217; death and resurrection. \u00a0Turning it into a Commando Raid to Kill the Serpent is &#8230; not one I&#8217;ve often seen.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I\u2019m not saying that our soldiers have become feminized in the least, especially those who have earned the Medal of Honor. It\u2019s not our soldiers who have become feminized, it is the awards process that has become feminized.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And, of course, feminization is, by definition, bad.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>What I am saying is that I am observing a trend in which we single out bravery in self-defense &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Darned feminists, celebrating defensive bravery!<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230; and yet seem hesitant to single out bravery in launching aggressive attacks that result in the deaths of enemy soldiers.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<figure id=\"attachment_19269\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-19269\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/Medalsofhonor.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-19269\" title=\"Congressional Medals of Honor\" src=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/Medalsofhonor-300x151.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"151\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/Medalsofhonor-300x151.jpg 300w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/Medalsofhonor-650x327.jpg 650w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/Medalsofhonor-160x80.jpg 160w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/Medalsofhonor-75x37.jpg 75w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/Medalsofhonor-500x251.jpg 500w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/Medalsofhonor.jpg 675w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 85vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-19269\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Congressional Medals of Honor (Army, Navy\/Marines, Air Force)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Believe it or not, racking up a body count by &#8220;launching aggressive attacks that result in the deaths of enemy soldiers&#8221; is not <a href=\"http:\/\/edocket.access.gpo.gov\/cfr_2002\/julqtr\/32cfr578.4.htm\">the criterion for receiving the CMOH<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>The Medal of Honor &#8230;\u00a0is awarded in the name of Congress to a person who, while a member\u00a0of the Army, <strong>distinguished himself conspicuously by gallantry and\u00a0intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty<\/strong> while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States; while\u00a0engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing\u00a0foreign force; or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in\u00a0an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United\u00a0States is not a belligerent party. &#8230; The deed performed must\u00a0have been one of <strong>personal bravery or self-sacrifice<\/strong> so conspicuous as to\u00a0clearly distinguish the individual above his comrades and must have\u00a0involved <strong>risk of life.<\/strong><\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Nothing there about killing the bad guys. \u00a0Nothing there about not killing the bad guys.<\/p>\n<p>There have been <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cmohs.org\/recent-recipients.php\">eight CMOH&#8217;s awarded in Iraq and Afghanistan<\/a>. \u00a0And looking at the citations, guess what I discover?<\/p>\n<p>Bryan Fischer is lying.<\/p>\n<p>A shock, yes, I know. \u00a0Either he&#8217;s lying, or he&#8217;s just accepting someone&#8217;s word as the basis for a screed without making any fact checks. \u00a0As he put it in his earlier column:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>According to Bill McGurn of the Wall Street Journal, every Medal of Honor awarded during these two conflicts has been awarded for saving life. Not one has been awarded for inflicting casualties on the enemy. Not one.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Let&#8217;s take a look at this most recent \u00a0girly-girl citation, to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cmohs.org\/recipient-detail\/3471\/giunta-salvatore-a.php\">Staff Sergeant Salvatore Giunta<\/a>, awarded 16 November 2010. \u00a0Here&#8217;s what happened:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Specialist Salvatore A. Giunta distinguished himself conspicuously by gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty in action with an armed enemy in the Korengal Valley, Afghanistan, on October 25, 2007. While conducting a patrol as team leader with Company B, 2d Battalion (Airborne), 503d Infantry Regiment, Specialist Giunta and his team were navigating through harsh terrain when they were ambushed by a well-armed and well-coordinated insurgent force. While under heavy enemy fire, Specialist Giunta immediately sprinted towards cover and <strong>engaged the enemy<\/strong>. Seeing that his squad leader had fallen and believing that he had been injured, Specialist Giunta exposed himself to withering enemy fire and raced towards his squad leader, helped him to cover, and administered medical aid. While administering first aid, enemy fire struck Specialist Giunta&#8217;s body armor and his secondary weapon. <strong>Without regard to the ongoing fire, Specialist Giunta engaged the enemy before prepping and throwing grenades<\/strong>, using the explosions for cover in order to conceal his position. Attempting to reach additional wounded fellow soldiers who were separated from the squad, Specialist Giunta and his team encountered a barrage of enemy fire that forced them to the ground. The team continued forward and upon reaching the wounded soldiers, Specialist Giunta realized that another soldier was still separated from the element. Specialist Giunta then advanced forward on his own initiative. As he crested the top of a hill, he observed two insurgents carrying away an American soldier. <strong>He immediately engaged the enemy, killing one and wounding the other.<\/strong> Upon reaching the wounded soldier, he began to provide medical aid, as his squad caught up and provided security. Specialist Giunta&#8217;s unwavering courage, selflessness, and decisive leadership while under extreme enemy fire were integral to his platoon&#8217;s ability to defeat an enemy ambush and recover a fellow American soldier from the enemy. Specialist Salvatore A. Giunta&#8217;s extraordinary heroism and selflessness above and beyond the call of duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit upon himself, Company B, 2d Battalion (Airborne), 503d Infantry Regiment, and the United States Army.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The citation doesn&#8217;t say he got the award for &#8220;<em>saving life&#8221; <\/em>nor does it say it was &#8220;<em>inflicting casualties on the enemy.&#8221;<\/em> In point of fact, then-Specialist Giunta did both. \u00a0and with valor. \u00a0He attacked, he rendered aid, he counter-attacked, he freed a potential hostage.<\/p>\n<p>I suppose Bryan doesn&#8217;t consider it all quite as masculine as if Specialist Giunta had launched a berserker attack against the insurgents, regardless of what else was going on around him, but &#8230;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I never even remotely suggested that we should stop honoring exceptional bravery in defense of our own troops; quite the opposite, as a matter of fact, as the above excerpts show. To borrow a phrase from Jesus, I say, \u201cYou should have practiced the latter without neglecting the former\u201d (Matthew 23:23).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>See, Bryan seems to think a dire battle situation &#8212; of the sort that CMOHs come from are either &#8220;defensive&#8221; or &#8220;offensive.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Well, maybe Specialist Giunta is an exception. \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cmohs.org\/recipient-detail\/3470\/miller-robert-j.php\">How about the one before that<\/a>, awarded 6 October?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Robert J. Miller distinguished himself by extraordinary acts of heroism while serving as the Weapons Sergeant in Special Forces Operational Detachment Alpha 3312, Special Operations Task Force-33, Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force-Afghanistan during combat operations against an armed enemy in Konar Province, Afghanistan on January 25, 2008. While conducting a combat reconnaissance patrol through the Gowardesh Valley, Staff Sergeant Miller and his small element of U.S. and Afghan National Army soldiers <strong>engaged a force of 15 to 20 insurgents occupying prepared fighting positions<\/strong>. Staff Sergeant Miller <strong>initiated the assault<\/strong> by <strong>engaging the enemy positions with his vehicle&#8217;s turret-mounted Mark-19 40 millimeter automatic grenade launcher<\/strong> while simultaneously providing detailed descriptions of the enemy positions to his command, enabling effective, accurate close air support. Following the engagement, Staff Sergeant Miller <strong>led a small squad forward<\/strong> to conduct a battle damage assessment. As the group neared the small, steep, narrow valley that the enemy had inhabited, a large, well-coordinated insurgent force initiated a near ambush, assaulting from elevated positions with ample cover. Exposed and with little available cover, the patrol was totally vulnerable to enemy rocket propelled grenades and automatic weapon fire. As point man, Staff Sergeant Miller was at the front of the patrol, cut off from supporting elements, and less than 20 meters from enemy forces. Nonetheless, with total disregard for his own safety, he called for his men to quickly move back to covered positions as <strong>he charged the enemy over exposed ground and under overwhelming enemy fire in order to provide protective fire for his team<\/strong>. While maneuvering to engage the enemy, Staff Sergeant Miller was shot in his upper torso. Ignoring the wound, he continued to <strong>push the fight<\/strong>, moving to draw fire from over one hundred enemy fighters upon himself. He then again <strong>charged forward through an open area<\/strong> in order to allow his teammates to safely reach cover. After <strong>killing at least 10 insurgents, wounding dozens more<\/strong>, and repeatedly exposing himself to withering enemy fire while moving from position to position, Staff Sergeant Miller was mortally wounded by enemy fire. His extraordinary valor ultimately saved the lives of seven members of his own team and 15 Afghanistan National Army soldiers. Staff Sergeant Miller&#8217;s heroism and selflessness above and beyond the call of duty, and at the cost of his own life, are in keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit upon himself and the United States Army<\/em>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Too bad that&#8217;s such a feminine tale of saving lives and being protective and nurturing. \u00a0I&#8217;m sure the 10 dead and dozens of wounded dead insurgents are kind of embarrassed to have been taken down by such a &#8220;feminized&#8221; award-winning scenario.<\/p>\n<p>How about <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cmohs.org\/recipient-detail\/3467\/monti-jared-c.php\">the one before that?<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Staff Sergeant Jared C. Monti distinguished himself by acts of gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty while serving as a team leader with Headquarters and Headquarters Troop, 3d Squadron, 71st Cavalry Regiment, 3d Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, in connection with combat operations against an armed enemy in Nuristan Province, Afghanistan, on June 21, 2006. While Staff Sergeant Monti was leading a mission aimed at gathering intelligence and <strong>directing fire against the enemy<\/strong>, his 16-man patrol was attacked by as many as 50 enemy fighters. On the verge of being overrun, Staff Sergeant Monti quickly directed his men to set up a defensive position behind a rock formation. He then <strong>called for indirect fire support, accurately targeting the rounds upon the enemy who had closed to within 50 meters of his position<\/strong>. While still directing fire, Staff Sergeant Monti <strong>personally engaged the enemy with his rifle and a grenade<\/strong>, successfully disrupting an attempt to flank his patrol. Staff Sergeant Monti then realized that one of his Soldiers was lying wounded in the open ground between the advancing enemy and the patrol&#8217;s position. With complete disregard for his own safety, Staff Sergeant Monti twice attempted to move from behind the cover of the rocks into the face of relentless enemy fire to rescue his fallen comrade. Determined not to leave his Soldier, Staff Sergeant Monti made a third attempt to cross open terrain through intense enemy fire. On this final attempt, he was mortally wounded, sacrificing his own life in an effort to save his fellow Soldier. Staff Sergeant Monti&#8217;s selfless acts of heroism inspired his patrol to fight off the larger enemy force. Staff Sergeant Monti&#8217;s immeasurable courage and uncommon valor are in keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit upon himself, Headquarters and Headquarters Troop, 3rd Squadron, 71st Cavalry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, and the United States Army.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It&#8217;s a shame all that life-saving stuff at the end waters down all the personal killing done by Staff Sergeant Monti earlier in the citation.<\/p>\n<p>But enough debunking of Bryan&#8217;s core thesis, let&#8217;s go back to his self-aggrandizing defensiveness. \u00a0He\u00a0continues:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It is striking that a certain amount of the criticism I have received actually verifies my thesis.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Note that by noting a &#8220;certain amount&#8221; there&#8217;s no telling if this is all, most, or a handful of his respondents.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In response to my call to also honor those who have killed bad guys in defense of our country, I have been called everything from savage to brute to bloodthirsty to anti-American to un-American to traitor to \u00a0\u201cexpletives deleted\u201d to the antichrist himself.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Golly, I&#8217;d love to know about these comments in context. \u00a0Were they about the idea that CMOHs should be given for folks who have shown valor in primarily attacking the enemy? Or were they about how killing people is not only a valorous event but a Biblically blessed and even morally desirable act? \u00a0Or maybe they were about the idea that &#8220;feminine&#8221; is somehow being used as a pejorative &#8230;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Surely some of this supports my contention that we have become too squeamish to honor such valor. It\u2019s almost as if it embarrasses us, as if we feel there is something inappropriate about awarding our highest honor to those who kill the enemy in battle. It is as if our culture has become so soft and so feminized that it makes us enormously uncomfortable to think about praising such actions. It\u2019s like we know such warfare needs to be waged, but we\u2019re hoping we don\u2019t have to find out very much about it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Because &#8220;feminized&#8217; means &#8220;soft&#8221; and &#8220;uncomfortable&#8221; &#8212; and not wildly enthused about killing <em>qua <\/em>killing.<\/p>\n<p>Remember, of course, that all of the CMOH winners above did, in fact, kill others. Indeed, they actually led attacks.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It apparently is easier for us to honor valor when exhibited in self-defense, but we find ourselves reluctant to honor killing the enemy when we are the aggressor in a military setting.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>By my rough count, about 25% of the Medals of Honor during the Vietnam War were granted to soldiers who showed unusual bravery and courage in assertive military action against the enemy. So far, according to Bill McGurn of the Wall Street Journal, we have yet to do so even once in our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Surely there have been exceptional acts of bravery of those kinds in these wars, and yet we have failed to grant our highest honor for gallantry to any of them.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Actually, that&#8217;s an interesting question &#8212; are military operations in Afghanistan (or Iraq) comparable to Vietnam? Let alone WW II, etc.? \u00a0 After all, we&#8217;re not talking about typical large unit engagements, or assaults on enemy lines, but anti-insurgency operations, in both urban and rural settings. \u00a0That leads, it would seem to me, to fewer purely offensive operations of the sort that would lead to &#8220;Charge of the Light Brigade&#8221; style CMOH opportunities.<\/p>\n<p>And yet, remember that each of the above recipients managed to show valor, not just for all that feminized &#8220;saving fellow soldier&#8221; bits but also for aggressive actions.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/israelites-defeated-by-philistines-hoet.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-19270\" title=\"Actually, the Israelites being defeated (for the moment) by the Philistines - Gerard Hoet (1788)\" src=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/israelites-defeated-by-philistines-hoet-184x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"184\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/israelites-defeated-by-philistines-hoet-184x300.jpg 184w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/israelites-defeated-by-philistines-hoet-98x160.jpg 98w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/israelites-defeated-by-philistines-hoet-46x75.jpg 46w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/israelites-defeated-by-philistines-hoet-307x500.jpg 307w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/israelites-defeated-by-philistines-hoet.jpg 320w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 184px) 85vw, 184px\" \/><\/a>That&#8217;s when Bryan jumps on this theological bandwagon:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The Scriptures certainly know nothing of such squeamishness. Remember what drove King Saul into a jealous rage was when the women of Israel commemorated David\u2019s exploits in song:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSaul has struck down his thousands, and David his ten thousands\u201d (1 Samuel 18:7).<\/p>\n<p>And this was not the last of David\u2019s exploits in just wars. He went down to the town of Keilah where he \u201cfought with the Philistines and brought away their livestock and struck them with a great blow\u201d (1 Samuel 23:5).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I&#8217;m finally snipping a bit of Bryan&#8217;s screed because the rest is all about the Righteous Warfare of the Old Testament, Saul and David and the rest.<\/p>\n<p>This is the point where, to be honest, it&#8217;s hard to refute Bryan. \u00a0Because, to be honest, it&#8217;s perfectly legitimate, Biblically, to use the Old Testament and Israel&#8217;s holy wars against the Philistines and the like to justify Going Out and Killing All the Bad Guys You Can as a sacred and God-approved thing to do.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, doing that gets you into all sorts of interesting areas, as the wars of the Israelites are particularly bloody and, to modern thinking, downright evil. \u00a0Consider <a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=numbers%2031:15-18&amp;version=NIV\">Numbers 31:15-18<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Deuteronomy%203:6-7&amp;version=NIV\">Deuteronomy 3:6-7<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Joshua%206:20-21&amp;version=NIV\">Joshua 6:20-21<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Joshua%208:18-27&amp;version=NIV\">Joshua 8:18-27<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=1%20Samuel%2027:8-11&amp;version=NIV\">1 Samuel 27:8-11<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=1%20Chronicles%2020:1-3&amp;version=NIV\">1 Chronicles 20:1-3<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=1%20Samuel%2015:2-3&amp;version=NIV\">1\u00a0Samuel 15:2-3<\/a> &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Does Bryan think these acts would warrant the Congressional Medal of Honor? Is this how Bryan thinks our soldiers should be acting in Afghanistan and Iraq?<\/p>\n<p>For what it&#8217;s worth (and I&#8217;m sure Bryan would consider me damned for it), I reject these passages as reflecting the will of God.<\/p>\n<p>Skipping ahead, we get &#8230;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Christianity is not a religion of pacifism. Remember that John the Baptist did not tell the soldiers who came to him to lay down their arms, even when they asked him directly, \u201cwhat shall we do?\u201d (Luke 3:14).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>A fascinating passage, but let quote it more in full (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Luke%203:10-14&amp;version=NIV\">Luke 3:10-14<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>\u201cWhat should we do then?\u201d the crowd asked.\u00a0John answered, \u201cAnyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.\u201d<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Socialist!<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Even tax collectors came to be baptized. \u201cTeacher,\u201d they asked, \u201cwhat should we do?\u201d\u00a0\u201cDon\u2019t collect any more than you are required to,\u201d he told them.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Wasn&#8217;t <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2010\/11\/17\/bryan-fischer-is-a-dolt-redistributionist-sinners-edition.html\">Bryan just preaching the other day<\/a> about how &#8220;the involuntary transfer of wealth is fundamentally immoral. The voluntary transfer of wealth, on the other hand, is noble and compassionate.&#8221; \u00a0He was condemning taxation for health care, but it would seem to apply for any taxation. \u00a0Yet Bryan ignores John the Baptist not telling the tax collectors to lay down their tax rolls \u00a0&#8230;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em> Then some soldiers asked him, \u201cAnd what should we do?\u201d\u00a0He replied, \u201cDon\u2019t extort money and don\u2019t accuse people falsely\u2014be content with your pay.\u201d<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>No, John the Baptist doesn&#8217;t tell them to stop fighting &#8212; because, yes, sometimes it&#8217;s necessary. \u00a0He does seem to address what was a more immediate problem regarding soldiers (whether Herod&#8217;s or Caesar&#8217;s) in Judea at the time &#8212; trying to supplement their income through extortion.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>War is certainly a terrible thing, and should only be waged for the highest and most just of causes. But if the cause is just, then there is great honor in achieving military success, success which should be celebrated and rewarded.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>One could argue that war, even when just, is so terrible that to celebrate it is to sinfully worship its evils &#8212; lesser evils, perhaps, but evils nonetheless. \u00a0It&#8217;s like celebrating a mastectomy, even if it&#8217;s done for a high and noble cause.<\/p>\n<p>That said, there can be valor in war, exemplified in self-sacrifice toward the cause. That&#8217;s not about killing per se. \u00a0It may well involve the killing of others, as a last resort and to a higher end, or it may be the protection of one&#8217;s brethren in arms, or a mixture of both. \u00a0The Medals of Honor described above all fit the bill. \u00a0To denegrate them by noting that they reflect some sort of (obviously inferior, if not sinful) &#8220;feminization&#8221; is, frankly, sickening.<\/p>\n<p>Similarly sickening is the idea that war&#8217;s about &#8220;killing people and breaking things.&#8221; While it&#8217;s fine to quote Patton&#8217;s &#8220;The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his,&#8221; killing for the sake of killing, even in a &#8220;holy cause,&#8221; is not a moral imperative. \u00a0Indeed, it&#8217;s a claim that can be made by the &#8220;Bad Guys,&#8221; too. \u00a0It devalues human life, the creation of God.<\/p>\n<p>I am reminded of Rear Admiral Jack Phillip at the Battle of Santiago de Cuba in the Spanish-American War, who admonished his men who were celebrating the burning Spanish shop <em>Vizcaya<\/em>, &#8220;Don\u2019t cheer, men; those poor devils are dying.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>And that echoes the older Talmudic tale: &#8220;When the Egyptians were drowning in the Red Sea, the angels in heaven began to break forth in songs of jubilation, but the Holy One, blessed be He, silenced them: &#8216;My creatures are perishing \u2014 and ye are ready to sing!'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Bryan sums up:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The bottom line here is that the God of the Bible clearly honors those who show valor and gallantry in waging aggressive war in a just cause against the enemies of freedom, even while inflicting massive casualties in the process. What I\u2019m saying is that it\u2019s time we started imitating God\u2019s example again.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If we leave aside the self-serving tales of conquest and genocide that fill the Old Testament, the New Testament (you know, the one that Changes Everything when it comes to dietary laws, but not, per Bryan, rules of warfare) doesn&#8217;t seem all that sanguine about war. \u00a0While John the Baptist seems more interested in soldiery acting justly, Jesus mentions, pretty clearly, that violence is a sketchy option at best (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Matthew%2026:50-52&amp;version=KJV\">Matthew 26:50-52<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus and took him.<\/p>\n<p>And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest&#8217;s, and smote off his ear.<\/p>\n<p>Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Those who individually act in valor in battle, offering up their lives, are worthy of praise. \u00a0That they do so in pursuit of the death of their opponents is incidental; where they do so in clearly seeking to protect their comrades in battle is even more laudatory, to my mind. \u00a0That Bryan seems to think that reflects some sort of dubious feminization of the Medal of Honor is, honestly, more indicative of his bloody mindset that anything else.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll close only in noting <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cmohs.org\/recipient-detail\/3076\/young-rodger-w.php\">one more CMOH tale<\/a>, this one from WW II. Like the above, it&#8217;s a blend of fearlessness in striking at the enemy and a devotion to protect one&#8217;s comrades in arms. It refers to Private Rodger Young, who died on\u00a0New Georgia, Solomon Islands:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>On 31 July 1943, the infantry company of which Pvt. Young was a member, was ordered to make a limited withdrawal from the battle line in order to adjust the battalion&#8217;s position for the night. At this time, Pvt. Young&#8217;s platoon was engaged with the enemy in a dense jungle where observation was very limited. The platoon suddenly was pinned down by intense fire from a Japanese machinegun concealed on higher ground only 75 yards away. The initial burst wounded Pvt. Young. As the platoon started to obey the order to withdraw, Pvt. Young called out that he could see the enemy emplacement, whereupon he started creeping toward it. Another burst from the machinegun wounded him the second time. Despite the wounds, he continued his heroic advance, attracting enemy fire and answering with rifle fire. When he was close enough to his objective, he began throwing handgrenades, and while doing so was hit again and killed. Pvt. Young&#8217;s bold action in closing with this Japanese pillbox and thus diverting its fire, permitted his platoon to disengage itself, without loss, and was responsible for several enemy casualties.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Was that a somehow feminized Medal of Honor, Bryan? Did they sing <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/File:The_Ballad_of_Rodger_Young_(West_Point_Cadet_Glee_Club_1959).ogg\">girly-girl songs<\/a> about it? Or was it acceptable only so long as there were enough other medals given to guys attacking Japanese pillboxes just for the sake of killing the Bad Guys?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I really tried to stay away. Honest. \u00a0Yet Bryan Fischer pulled me back in, after (a) posting that the Congressional Medal of Honor has been &#8220;feminized&#8221; because it&#8217;s being awarded to people who save lives, vs. just people who kill a bunch of the Bad Guys, then (b) posting a lengthy, defensive, and simultaneously offensive &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2010\/11\/19\/bryan-fischer-is-a-dolt-feminized-heroism-edition.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Bryan Fischer is a Dolt: Feminized Heroism Edition&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":19270,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[100,10,349,27,110,71],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-19265","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-dolts","category-geopolitical-brouhaha","category-military","category-religion","category-religious-zanies","category-religion-me"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/israelites-defeated-by-philistines-hoet.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":25224,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/01\/09\/bryan-fischer-is-a-dolt-girl-leader-cooties-edition.html","url_meta":{"origin":19265,"position":0},"title":"Bryan Fischer is a Dolt (Girl Leader Cooties! 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