{"id":21259,"date":"2011-06-13T15:12:24","date_gmt":"2011-06-13T21:12:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=21259"},"modified":"2011-06-13T15:12:24","modified_gmt":"2011-06-13T21:12:24","slug":"bryan-fischer-is-a-dolt-gay-bullies-are-out-to-get-me-edition","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2011\/06\/13\/bryan-fischer-is-a-dolt-gay-bullies-are-out-to-get-me-edition.html","title":{"rendered":"Bryan Fischer is a Dolt (Gay Bullies Are Out To Get Me! edition)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-20825\" title=\"Bryan Fischer, Dolt\" src=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/bryan-fischer-afa-300x169.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"169\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/bryan-fischer-afa-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/bryan-fischer-afa.jpg 424w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 85vw, 300px\" \/>Bryan, howdy.<\/p>\n<p>Now, be honest: you were beaten up by gays at school, weren&#8217;t you?<\/p>\n<p>I mean, I have to ask, because you are so bound and determined not only to demonize homosexuality as the worst sin and perversion since Cain slew Abel, but to consistently portray gays as thugs and Nazis brownshirts and the like.\u00a0 While one appreciates this as different from the equally demeaning stereotype of gays as fey and effeminate and swishy, it&#8217;s even more dubious.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;re all aware of the literary figure of the bully who is poked back in the nose by a victim picked on one too many times, and who then runs off crying that he&#8217;s being picked on.\u00a0 That is, frankly, how anti-gay types strike me &#8212; where being deprived of the ability to stone gays, or at least lock them up, the bigots become even more outrageed that gays aren&#8217;t willing to put up with being maligned and mocked, either.\u00a0 And turn around and call <em>them <\/em>bullies and bigots.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, the latest AFA screed from you fits this model beautifully: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.afa.net\/Blogs\/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147508489\"><strong>Homosexual bigots commit hate crimes, Part 5: Bully Straight Writer<\/strong><\/a>.\u00a0 Not quite &#8220;Dewey Beats Truman&#8221; snappy, but it does have that &#8220;Man Bites Dog&#8221; sense of irony about it.\u00a0 Well, no, you probably don&#8217;t see that.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Homosexualists want anti-bullying legislation all over the fruited plain &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Get it? <em>Fruit<\/em>ed plain? Man, what a way with words you have, Bryan!<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230; because, in their view, it is a criminal offense to push someone around because of their sexual orientation.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I feel it is a criminal offense to push <em>anyone <\/em>around, for any reason, whether it&#8217;s because the victim is small, gay, female, Christian, black, or carrying too much lunch money.<\/p>\n<p>Assuming we are talking about literal pushing around (or extreme verbal abuse among minors), of course.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>More evidence surfaces every day that they have forgotten to read their own memo.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Because, of course, <em>they <\/em>&#8212; the Vast Homosexualist Conspiracy &#8212; are a world-wide memo-issuing organization dedicated to driving you mad, Bryan! <em>Mad!<\/em><\/p>\n<p>They have no hesitation in harassing, intimidating and punishing any heterosexual who dares to offer a word of criticism of homosexual behavior. They, in fact, are the ones who are perpetrating hate crimes on a daily basis.<\/p>\n<p>Well, those are certainly strong words, Bryan.\u00a0 I mean, it sounds like there are homophobes in schools across this nation being beaten up and bullied just because they called a gay kid &#8220;Faggot&#8221;!\u00a0 I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s been in all the papers, right?\u00a0 Cases of anti-gay youth being driven to suicide by the meanness and harrassment of the homosexualist majority?\u00a0 I mean, what&#8217;s this world coming to?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Increasingly, this is becoming the issue: If homosexuals are to be protected from heterosexual bullies, the unanswered question is who will protect us from homosexual bullies?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>How about we all protect one another from bullying and harrassment, legally where needed, but preferably socially?\u00a0 Maybe by celebrating each others&#8217; diversity, and not simply labeling others with demeaning epithets, we might actually come closer to the world that Jesus wanted for us &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Nah, just kidding, what we really need is to to kick those sodomites back into the closet (if not prison) where their evil perversions against God and Man can be hidden from decent people and True Christians and Real Americans&#8217; eyes.\u00a0 Because, of course, their very presence, let alone insistence on tolerance of their filth, is bullying of all followers of Christ, <em>per se<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Right, Bryan?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>And bullies they are.<\/p>\n<p>Case in point: homosexual bigots in South Africa managed to get a heterosexual columnist, Jon Qwelane, fined 100,000 Rands (about $15,000 US) for doing nothing more than saying, \u201cGay is NOT okay.\u201d Plus, he\u2019s been ordered to apologize to the true bullies who mashed his face in the dirt.<\/p>\n<p>He was convicted of \u201chate speech\u201d (sic) by something called the Johannesburg Equality Court, whose view of \u201cequality\u201d evidently does not include heterosexuals and therefore doesn\u2019t qualify as equality at all.<\/p>\n<p>For telling the truth about homosexual conduct, Qwelane was convicted of propagating \u201chatred and harm,\u201d even though he called for no violence whatsoever against gay folk. There was no word about the \u201chatred and harm\u201d directed against Qwelane for saying something that civilized people have been saying since the dawn of time.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Now, I haven&#8217;t ready any particular details of this case, but let&#8217;s say that this is, in fact a &#8220;hate speech&#8221; case. Mr Qwelane (South Africa&#8217;s ambassador to Uganda) spoke negatively, to some greater or lesser degree, about gays. (Update: Qwelane compared homosexuality to bestiality, which is <em>so <\/em>ho-hum in American political speech.)<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m actually not a big believer in hate speech laws, Bryan.\u00a0 Because, yes, they stifle free speech.\u00a0 Plus they are a two-edged sword.\u00a0 Once you set the precedent that hurtful, hateful speech toward one group is punishable, then it has to be applied to all groups.\u00a0 For every gay activist desiring hate speech protection, you get a church leader desiring the same thing for <em>their own cause<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Short of speech that immediately incites to violence, I think it&#8217;s better to treat such things <em>socially<\/em>, not civilly \/ criminally.<\/p>\n<p>And, remarkably enough, that&#8217;s just what happens in this country, Bryan, the good ol&#8217; US of A.\u00a0 I&#8217;m sure you remember, a year or two back, all the brouhaha over adding sexual orientation to hate crime statutes.\u00a0 &#8220;This will kill free speech and free religion!&#8221; some folks (like you) cried.\u00a0 &#8220;It will destroy our constitutional rights!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Which, of course, it did nothing of the sort.\u00a0 No priests have been dragged from pulpits for saying hateful things about gays.\u00a0 No politicians have been shipped to the gulags and reeducation camps for saying hateful things about gays.\u00a0 No AFA columnists have been sued to debtor&#8217;s prison for saying hateful things about gays.<\/p>\n<p>Nor have any of the folks &#8212; in US politics or religion &#8212; who continue to compare homosexuality to bestiality &#8212; been criminally or civilly punished.\u00a0 They&#8217;ve been mocked, shunned, denounced, and otherwise disagreed with, but that&#8217;s the appropriate way to handle such things, in my opinion.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This sorry incident tells us two things: homosexualism will kill free speech, and homosexualists are bigots.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Well, if people can be fined for hate speech in South Africa, Bryan, I wouldn&#8217;t say they have fully free speech to begin with.\u00a0 I mean, I presume the same sort of fines can be levied for other hate speech.<\/p>\n<p>And, in fact, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.capegateway.gov.za\/afr\/pubs\/public_info\/c\/32303\/e#14\">they can<\/a>. The areas where the S African Equality Courts (not the Gay Bigot Bullying Courts) can act are in cases of harrassment, discrimination, and hate speech regarding:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<blockquote>\n<li>Race<\/li>\n<li>gender<\/li>\n<li>pregnancy<\/li>\n<li>marital status<\/li>\n<li>ethnic or social origin<\/li>\n<li>colour of your skin<\/li>\n<li>sexual orientation<\/li>\n<li>age<\/li>\n<li>disability<\/li>\n<li>religion, conscience &amp; belief<\/li>\n<li>culture<\/li>\n<li>language<\/li>\n<li>birth<\/li>\n<li>Nationality<\/li>\n<li>HIV status, or perceived status<\/li>\n<li>economic or social status or<\/li>\n<li>family responsibility and status<\/li>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Yes, if you felt you were being discriminated against, or subjected to hate speech, because of your love of Christ, Bryan, even you could seek justice through the Equality Court.<\/p>\n<p>Looking at info about the Equality Court, I see another prominent case where an ANC figure is accused of hate speech against Afrokaaners for a song with the lyric &#8220;Shoot the boer.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>In other words, the Equality Court, regardless of how one feels about hate speech laws, is not simply a refuge for &#8220;homosexualists&#8221; or even &#8220;left-wing&#8221; types.\u00a0 It covers all those areas<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>They are hate-mongering bigots who will trample on the free speech and religious liberty rights of any who get in their way. They\u2019ll trample on their unalienable, God-given right to private property by plundering them with fines. And they will trample on their unalienable, God-given right to liberty by throwing them in jail whenever and wherever they can.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And they&#8217;ll look <em>fabulous <\/em>doing so!<\/p>\n<p>Of course, I&#8217;m sure gays might look at that same list of things the &#8220;hate-mongering bigots&#8221; will do and see how they&#8217;ve been treated in just the same way by &#8220;hate-mongering bigots&#8221;\u00a0 &#8212; fines, prison, trampeling of free speech rights &#8230; isn&#8217;t that ironic, Bryan?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Our choice as a culture is clear: we must choose between homosexuality and liberty, because homosexual bigots won\u2019t allow us to have both. As for me and my house, we choose liberty.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That sounds marvelous, Bryan. Very heroic.<\/p>\n<p>But let me get this straight, to summarize your essay:\u00a0 There&#8217;s some sort of <em>world-wide homosexualist conspiracy <\/em>to <em>destroy <\/em>rights to free speech, religion, liberty, and property.\u00a0 We know this because a <em>South African court <\/em>set up to rule on, among other things, hate speech, fined a someone when he was found guilty of such speech.\u00a0 And that&#8217;s a <em>direct threat <\/em>to you and your family, not to mention your culture, if not God Himself.\u00a0 And this sort of action on hate speech is the same thing as homosexualists pushing anti-bullying legislation in schools, because kids being beaten up or mocked to suicide is <em>exactly the same <\/em>as adults being fined for hate speech.<\/p>\n<p><em>They&#8217;re coming to get you, Bryan &#8230;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Of course, I find it triffically ironic that a person who has lambasted gays as  the worst scum imaginable (aside from, maybe, depending on your mood,  Muslims), and who would just as soon see gays banned from the military, from political office, from custody of children, forceably reconditioned, thrown in jail, or perhaps thrown out of the country, is concerned that <em>gays <\/em>are seeking infringe  on <em>his <\/em>liberty.<\/p>\n<p>Project much, Bryan?\u00a0 Or just still remembering being beaten up by those notorious gay bullies as a kid?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bryan, howdy. Now, be honest: you were beaten up by gays at school, weren&#8217;t you? I mean, I have to ask, because you are so bound and determined not only to demonize homosexuality as the worst sin and perversion since Cain slew Abel, but to consistently portray gays as thugs and Nazis brownshirts and the &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2011\/06\/13\/bryan-fischer-is-a-dolt-gay-bullies-are-out-to-get-me-edition.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Bryan Fischer is a Dolt (Gay Bullies Are Out To Get Me! edition)&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[100,25],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-21259","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-dolts","category-gay-stuff"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":23185,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2011\/10\/25\/bryan-fischer-is-a-dolt-gays-are-evil-mass-murderers-edition.html","url_meta":{"origin":21259,"position":0},"title":"Bryan Fischer is a Dolt (Gays are Evil Mass Murderers Edition)","author":"***Dave","date":"Tue 25-Oct-11 8:29pm","format":false,"excerpt":"And here I was thinking it had been a while ... 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This whole thing is about Lesbian,\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Dolts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Dolts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/dolts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/bryan-fischer-afa-300x169.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":19469,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2010\/12\/07\/bryan-fischer-is-a-dolt-its-always-about-the-gays-except-when-its-about-the-muslims-edition.html","url_meta":{"origin":21259,"position":1},"title":"Bryan Fischer is a Dolt (It&#8217;s Always About the Gays Except When It&#8217;s About the Muslims Edition)","author":"***Dave","date":"Tue 7-Dec-10 10:22pm","format":false,"excerpt":"Not enough Eeeevil Muslims in the news this week, so Bryan has to use his American Family Association-provided pulpit to bring us the Huge, Hidden, Untold, Kept-Secret Story of the Week: Julian Assange is not the bad guy here - the homosexual soldier is. Shocking, I know. The out-of-the-mainstream media\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Crime &amp; Punishment&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Crime &amp; Punishment","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/politics-law\/crime-punishment"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/12\/benedict-armold.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":21060,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2011\/05\/18\/bryan-fischer-is-a-dolt-gay-nazis-edition.html","url_meta":{"origin":21259,"position":2},"title":"Bryan Fischer is a Dolt (Gay Nazis! Edition)","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 18-May-11 3:44pm","format":false,"excerpt":"Hey, Brian, long-time-no-chat.\u00a0 Glad to see that you're still hard at it, picking on gays and Muslims (and, if possible, conflating the two of them in some Evil and Unholy Alliance against All That Is Godly and American). 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