{"id":23533,"date":"2011-11-07T11:22:56","date_gmt":"2011-11-07T18:22:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2011\/11\/07\/but-theyre-not-death-panels-when-theyre-from-the-right-right.html"},"modified":"2011-11-07T17:28:45","modified_gmt":"2011-11-08T00:28:45","slug":"but-theyre-not-death-panels-when-theyre-from-the-right-right","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2011\/11\/07\/but-theyre-not-death-panels-when-theyre-from-the-right-right.html","title":{"rendered":"But they're not Death Panels when they're from the Right, right?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Remember during the Health Care initiative that the GOP was all atwitter over the (imaginary) threat of "Death Panels," governmental bureaucracies that would judge whether someone was socially worthy of receiving necessary health care? All sorts of wailing and gnashing of teeth ensued over the idea that Evil Government Types would be deciding if Grandma deserved heart surgery.<\/p>\n

But how does Ms Bachmann propose to enforce this particular Biblical injunction, that people who don't work shouldn't get social support? Will we have Death Panels of Evil Government Types deciding whether a given applicant has tried hard enough to find a job, or stuck with an intolerable job long enough, or should really have been able to take that job picking strawberries in the field?<\/p>\n

Yes, we means-test and evaluate such things today, but Bachmann sounds eager to make this a lot more stringent of a test. And if you don't pass scrutiny … well, are there no workhouses …? (http:\/\/wist.info\/dickens-charles\/15595\/<\/a>) #ddtb<\/p>\n

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Remember during the Health Care initiative that the GOP was all atwitter over the (imaginary) threat of "Death Panels," governmental bureaucracies that would judge whether someone was socially worthy of receiving necessary health care? All sorts of wailing and gnashing of teeth ensued over the idea that Evil Government Types would be deciding if Grandma … Continue reading “But they're not Death Panels when they're from the Right, right?”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,9],"tags":[107],"class_list":["post-23533","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts","category-politics-law","tag-ddtb"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":135101,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/10\/20\/death-panels-always-real.html","url_meta":{"origin":23533,"position":0},"title":"“Death Panels” have always been real","author":"***Dave","date":"Fri 20-Oct-17 7:57am","format":false,"excerpt":"One of the great calumnies of the original debate over the ACA -- and one still heard today -- is that it would set up \"death panels\" that would make life-or-death decisions over the people they considered worthy or unworthy of spending health care money on. \"Your child \/ grandmother\u2026","rel":"","context":"In "~PlusPosts"","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/unnamed-5.png?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":133040,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/03\/14\/pushing-the-death-panels-down-to-the-states-is-not-the-flexibility-we-need.html","url_meta":{"origin":23533,"position":1},"title":"Pushing the Death Panels down to the states is not the "flexibility" we need","author":"***Dave","date":"Tue 14-Mar-17 2:43pm","format":false,"excerpt":"During the debate over the ACA, the Republicans loooooved to talk about \"Death Panels.\" The idea was that any sort of national health insurance scheme would, perforce, require the federal government to ration the finite resources of the medical care system, and so there would have to be federal \"Death\u2026","rel":"","context":"In "~PlusPosts"","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":28610,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/07\/15\/as-ive-said-before-death-panels-already-exist.html","url_meta":{"origin":23533,"position":2},"title":"As I've said before, "death panels" already exist","author":"***Dave","date":"Sun 15-Jul-12 4:11pm","format":false,"excerpt":"But they are run by private, for-profit insurance bureaucrats, unaccountable and shareholder-driven. 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