{"id":2421,"date":"2002-06-26T20:04:53","date_gmt":"2002-06-27T01:04:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/?p=2421"},"modified":"2002-06-26T20:04:53","modified_gmt":"2002-06-27T01:04:53","slug":"one_nation_goin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2002\/06\/26\/one_nation_goin.html","title":{"rendered":"One nation going bonkers"},"content":{"rendered":"

As one might have predicted, politicians (of both parties) are going nuts over the Pledge of Allegience<\/a> ruling.<\/p>\n

President Bush considers the ruling “ridiculous.”<\/p>\n

“The Supreme Court itself begins each of its sessions with the phrase `God save the United States and this honorable court,'” Fleischer said. “The Declaration of Independence refers to God or to the creator four different times. Congress begins each session of the Congress each day with a prayer, and of course our currency says, `In God We Trust.’ The view of the White House is that this was a wrong decision and the Department Justice is now evaluating how to seek redress.”<\/p>\n

So, because tradition says it’s okay, it’s okay? Yeah, that’s a really good basis for a Constitutional ruling.<\/p>\n

The ruling was also attacked on Capitol Hill, with Senate Majority Leader Thomas Daschle, D-S.D., calling it “just nuts.”
\nAfter the ruling, House members gathered on the front steps of the Capitol to recite the Pledge of Allegiance en masse \u2014 the same place they defiantly sang “God Bless America” the night of the Sept. 11 attacks.
\nAnd senators, who were debating a defense bill, angrily stopped to unanimously pass a resolution denouncing the decision.<\/p>\n

Informal gatherings of Representatives and resolutions of the Senate are not the basis for Constitutional law, either.<\/p>\n

It seems likely that the case will end up at the Supreme Court. Court-watchers predict the ruling will be overturned. And perhaps that will be okay, if it’s based on a reasonable balance of the Constitution in the context our current culture. <\/p>\n

Hopefully it will be based on more than outraged outcries of, “What next?! No more ‘In God We Trust’?!”<\/p>\n

UPDATE<\/b>: Eugene Volokh has some interesting analysis <\/a>of why the court’s ruling was a reasonable reading of precedent, why “ceremonial Deism” (love that term) may still be okay, and how the Supremes are likely (but not certain) to strike down the ruling. He also talks about how “offensiveness” (either way, in this case) is not good law<\/a>.<\/p>\n

One thing I’m finding amusing in this are the number of folks who pre-date the inclusion who don’t <\/i>think it’s a big deal taking “under God” back out again.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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