{"id":24249,"date":"2011-12-05T16:31:21","date_gmt":"2011-12-05T23:31:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2011\/12\/05\/trust-but-verify-the-fact-checking.html"},"modified":"2011-12-05T20:17:22","modified_gmt":"2011-12-06T03:17:22","slug":"trust-but-verify-the-fact-checking","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2011\/12\/05\/trust-but-verify-the-fact-checking.html","title":{"rendered":"Trust but verify the fact-checking"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There&#39;s been a significant rise over the last decade of &quot;fact-checking&quot; organizations and newspaper columns, etc.  I consider this, largely, a very good thing, and they are often convenient sources of corrective information regarding the claims of the politicians, punditry, and the partisan media.<\/p>\n<p>That said, while Mark Twain may have spoken of &quot;lies, damn lies, and statistics,&quot; a fourth category he might have added would be Professional Experts Who Are Asked For Their Unbiased Opinions On Matters They Claim Impartial Expertise In.  Because they too often <i>aren&#39;t<\/i> one or more of those adjectives &#8230; #ddtb<\/p>\n<p style='clear:both;'>\n<p style='margin-bottom:5px;'><strong>Embedded Link<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href='http:\/\/www.salon.com\/2011\/12\/05\/politifact_and_the_scam_of_neutral_expertise\/singleton\/'>PolitiFact and the scam of neutral expertise<\/a><br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMany deeply biased &quot;national security experts&quot; are absurdly treated as objective and ideology-free\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n<p style='clear:both;'>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There&#39;s been a significant rise over the last decade of &quot;fact-checking&quot; organizations and newspaper columns, etc. I consider this, largely, a very good thing, and they are often convenient sources of corrective information regarding the claims of the politicians, punditry, and the partisan media. That said, while Mark Twain may have spoken of &quot;lies, damn &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2011\/12\/05\/trust-but-verify-the-fact-checking.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Trust but verify the fact-checking&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,12],"tags":[107],"class_list":["post-24249","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts","category-fourth-estate","tag-ddtb"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":153528,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2021\/03\/07\/still-chatty-after-all-these-years.html","url_meta":{"origin":24249,"position":0},"title":"Still chatty after all these years","author":"***Dave","date":"Sun 7-Mar-21 12:30am","format":false,"excerpt":"The Stupid Evil Podcast is ... well, it was fun.","rel":"","context":"In &quot;DDtB-SEB Podcasts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"DDtB-SEB Podcasts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/podcasts\/ddtb-seb-podcasts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/still-chatty-after-all-these-years-f7WYuWsxxqQ.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/still-chatty-after-all-these-years-f7WYuWsxxqQ.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/still-chatty-after-all-these-years-f7WYuWsxxqQ.jpg?resize=525%2C300&ssl=1 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/still-chatty-after-all-these-years-f7WYuWsxxqQ.jpg?resize=700%2C400&ssl=1 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/still-chatty-after-all-these-years-f7WYuWsxxqQ.jpg?resize=1050%2C600&ssl=1 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":136275,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2018\/05\/06\/and-lo-there-shall-come-another-seb-podcast.html","url_meta":{"origin":24249,"position":1},"title":"And, lo, there shall come another SEB Podcast!","author":"***Dave","date":"Sun 6-May-18 2:56pm","format":false,"excerpt":"It's been an astonishing three years since +Les Jenkins and I did one of his Stupid Evil Bastard podcasts (the biggest takeaway from which was that it had been three years since we previously did it, and that was clearly way, way too long). 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