{"id":2493,"date":"2002-06-13T16:02:35","date_gmt":"2002-06-13T21:02:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/?p=2493"},"modified":"2002-06-13T16:02:35","modified_gmt":"2002-06-13T21:02:35","slug":"as_the_bishops","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2002\/06\/13\/as_the_bishops.html","title":{"rendered":"As the bishops deliberate &#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Here are some <a href=\"http:\/\/www.andrewsullivan.com\/main_article.php?artnum=20020610\">heartfelt, powerful words<\/a> from Andrew Sullivan that I think ring true for a lot of Catholic laity, and priests as well.<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">Does this mean that the church should take a poll on its doctrines, or change its rules on celibacy or sex overnight? Of course not. On this, some church conservatives are surely right. The church is not a democracy. Any change on administrative matters needs to be reflected on, examined in the light of Scripture and tradition. In the end, the hierarchy exists for a reason and will make the final call. Obedience matters. But real obedience requires respect; and until the hierarchy listens, makes its case, cleans up its own act, obedience will be difficult, if not indefensible.<\/p>\n<p>But will the bishops listen?<\/p>\n<p><small>(Via <a href=\"http:\/\/www.instapundit.com\/archives\/001747.php#001747\">InstaPundit<\/a>)<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here are some heartfelt, powerful words from Andrew Sullivan that I think ring true for a lot of Catholic laity, and priests as well. 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