{"id":25789,"date":"2012-01-28T21:13:29","date_gmt":"2012-01-29T04:13:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/01\/28\/are-there-limits-on-tolerance.html"},"modified":"2012-02-01T13:33:16","modified_gmt":"2012-02-01T20:33:16","slug":"are-there-limits-on-tolerance","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/01\/28\/are-there-limits-on-tolerance.html","title":{"rendered":"Are there limits on tolerance?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Or, rather, what are the reasonable limits?<\/p>\n<p>I tend to be suspicious of any erosion of religious or (more specifically, since the burqa is not specifically mandated by Islam, and is hardly universal among majority-Islamic countries) cultural freedoms.  While I understand the security (which I&#39;ve written of before) concerns here, and the social ones as well, it&#39;s also a very slippery slope toward what outward expressions of religious faith or cultural heritage will be &quot;allowed&quot; and which ones won&#39;t.  <\/p>\n<p>That it is being cheered by some of the more obnoxious nationalist elements in the Netherlands doesn&#39;t speak well of it either. #ddtb<\/p>\n<p><strong>Reshared post from +<a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/108631503120169701251'>John E. Bredehoft<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It&#39;s not a good idea to have both traditional Muslims <b>AND<\/b> bikers mad at you.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style='clear:both;'>\n<p style='margin-bottom:5px;'><strong>Embedded Link<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style='height:120px;width:120px;overflow:hidden;float:left;margin-top:0px;padding-top:0px;margin-right:10px;vertical-align:top;text-align:center;clear:both;'>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img style='max-width:none;' src='http:\/\/images0-focus-opensocial.googleusercontent.com\/gadgets\/proxy?container=focus&#038;gadget=a&#038;resize_h=100&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Frnbpull.99streets.netdna-cdn.com%2Fgraphicspics%2Fburqa.jpg' border='0' \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href='http:\/\/feedproxy.google.com\/~r\/ReligionNewsBlog\/~3\/y5ufVnFxJsM\/dutch-government-going-ahead-with-burqa-ban'>Dutch government Going ahead with Burqa Ban<\/a><br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tPeople wearing burqas, balaclavas or all-in-one motorbike helmets in public in the Netherlands will soon face fines. On Friday, government ministers voted to outlaw all clothing which covers the face&#8230;.\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n<p style='clear:both;'>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Or, rather, what are the reasonable limits? I tend to be suspicious of any erosion of religious or (more specifically, since the burqa is not specifically mandated by Islam, and is hardly universal among majority-Islamic countries) cultural freedoms. 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