{"id":27,"date":"2003-07-10T18:27:52","date_gmt":"2003-07-10T23:27:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/?p=27"},"modified":"2003-07-10T18:27:52","modified_gmt":"2003-07-10T23:27:52","slug":"liar_liar_iraqs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2003\/07\/10\/liar_liar_iraqs.html","title":{"rendered":"Liar, liar, Iraq&#8217;s on fire?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Since it&#8217;s nearly impossible to turn around over the past few days without running accross references to (essentially) Bush blatantly lying in his <a href=\"http:\/\/www.whitehouse.gov\/news\/releases\/2003\/01\/20030128-19.html\">2003 State of the Union<\/a> address about Iraq seeking uranium in Niger, since that story was based on a forged document that the US new to be bogus a year earlier.  <\/p>\n<p>Bush&#8217;s statement in question is remarkably short, and rather indirect:<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.<\/p>\n<p>(That this whole brouhaha has been triggered by <i>the White House itself <\/i>retracting reliance on that bogus document, long after the fact, not by some huge breaking bit of insider information is lost in the discussion.)<\/p>\n<p>The problem is, not only does this beg the issue of whether everyone thought that Iraq probably had WMDs ferreted away, but two other articles I&#8217;ve run across seem to indicate that the story is a lot more complex.<\/p>\n<p>First off, did the White House actually know the report was bogus?  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rightwingnews.com\/john\/bushiraq.php\">Or <\/a>was that analysis <a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/ac2\/wp-dyn\/A46957-2003Jun11?language=printer&#038;content=article\">not passed on from the CIA<\/a>?<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">A key component of President Bush&#8217;s claim in his State of the Union address last January that Iraq had an active nuclear weapons program &#8212; its alleged attempt to buy uranium in Niger &#8212; was disputed by a CIA-directed mission to the central African nation in early 2002, according to senior administration officials and a former government official. But the CIA did not pass on the detailed results of its investigation to the White House or other government agencies, the officials said.<\/p>\n<p>(Though there is some question about this &#8212; other reports have mentioned in passing, other officials saying that the information was passed on, or perhaps was passed on without qualifications that might have flagged it as more believable.)<\/p>\n<p>Secondly, was the Niger\/Africa uranium story based only on that bogus document?  Or <a href=\"http:\/\/newsmax.com\/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003\/7\/9\/130433\">was there other intelligence that pointed in that direction as well<\/a>?<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">Addressing Parliament, Blair insisted that the story was not &#8220;a fantasy,&#8221; as some U.S. sources were claiming, and that reports that British intelligence had based its finding solely on documents that later turned out to be counterfeit were not true. <br \/>\n&#8220;The evidence that we had that the Iraqi government had gone back to try to purchase further amounts of uranium from Niger did not come from these so-called &#8216;forged&#8217; documents, they came from separate intelligence,&#8221; Blair insisted, <a href=\"http:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/2\/hi\/americas\/3052453.stm\">according to the BBC<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>What I find amazing is that so much is being made over one, small, self-retracted statement in the SOTU as something that is tantamount to the Gulf of Tonkin &#8212; especially since (a) there were a lot of other statements in the SOTU supporting the case for war, and (b) it sounds like it&#8217;s not really a case of lying after all.  If those who have doubts about the war&#8217;s justifications are looking for something to nail Dubya on, this seems like a pretty weak foundation upon which to do so, and may actually end up discrediting that cause.<\/p>\n<p><small>(via <a href=\"http:\/\/www.instapundit.com\/archives\/010429.php\">InstaPundit<\/a>)<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Since it&#8217;s nearly impossible to turn around over the past few days without running accross references to (essentially) Bush blatantly lying in his 2003 State of the Union address about&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[10],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-27","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-geopolitical-brouhaha"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":6174,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2004\/04\/30\/let_them_buy_ca.html","url_meta":{"origin":27,"position":0},"title":"Let them buy cake!","author":"***Dave","date":"Fri 30-Apr-04 3:00pm","format":false,"excerpt":"I wonder if this is why folks (you know, those \"lying liars\") were suggesting that Iraq was trying to buy \"yellowcake\" uranium in Niger and other African nations during the...","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Geopolitical Brouhaha&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Geopolitical Brouhaha","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/geopolitical-brouhaha"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":6036,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2004\/06\/02\/shocked_2.html","url_meta":{"origin":27,"position":1},"title":"Shocked!","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 2-Jun-04 9:54pm","format":false,"excerpt":"The International Atomic Energy Agency is shocked, shocked, to find suspicious nuclear program work in Iran. 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