{"id":27017,"date":"2012-03-09T17:39:33","date_gmt":"2012-03-10T00:39:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/03\/09\/citizen-flipper.html"},"modified":"2012-03-09T17:39:33","modified_gmt":"2012-03-10T00:39:33","slug":"citizen-flipper","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/03\/09\/citizen-flipper.html","title":{"rendered":"Citizen Flipper"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A couple of thoughts here:<\/p>\n<p>1. While I understand the reasoning behind it, I don&#39;t like the idea of &quot;rights&quot; being equated to &quot;obligations by the government.&quot;  Maybe it&#39;s that Declaration of Independence upbringing in me, but it makes me want to think of some other term.<\/p>\n<p>2. I think it&#39;s reasonable &#8212; more than reasonable &#8212; to grant such protections to cetaceans, given what we know about them.<\/p>\n<p>3. I think we need to consider it carefully, though &#8212; because then we start needing to consider a slope \/ gradation of all sorts of protections (&quot;rights&quot;) for critters that aren&#39;t quite as advanced as cetaceans, etc.  Do we try to draw a series of bright line somewhere as to what living creatures get what level of protections?  On what basis?  What does that mean for meat-eating?  Are we overfocussed on mammals?<\/p>\n<p>4. I keep thinking of the classification of Blacks as semi-human, and wonder if we&#39;re setting a precedent in this way for something similar. #ddtb<\/p>\n<p style='clear:both;'>\n<p style='margin-bottom:5px;'><strong>Embedded Link<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style='height:120px;width:120px;overflow:hidden;float:left;margin-top:0px;padding-top:0px;margin-right:10px;vertical-align:top;text-align:center;clear:both;'>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img style='max-width:none;' src='http:\/\/images0-focus-opensocial.googleusercontent.com\/gadgets\/proxy?container=focus&#038;gadget=a&#038;resize_h=100&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fboingboing.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F03%2Fdolphins.jpg' border='0' \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href='http:\/\/boingboing.net\/2012\/03\/09\/the-case-for-dolphin-rights.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&#038;utm_medium=twitter'>The case for dolphin rights  &#8211; Boing Boing<\/a><br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tIt was just this understanding of rights as obligations that governments must obey that formed the basis for a declaration of rights for cetaceans (whales and dolphins) at the annual meeting of the Am&#8230;\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n<p style='clear:both;'>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A couple of thoughts here: 1. While I understand the reasoning behind it, I don&#39;t like the idea of &quot;rights&quot; being equated to &quot;obligations by the government.&quot; Maybe it&#39;s that Declaration of Independence upbringing in me, but it makes me want to think of some other term. 2. I think it&#39;s reasonable &#8212; more than &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/03\/09\/citizen-flipper.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Citizen Flipper&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106],"tags":[107],"class_list":["post-27017","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts","tag-ddtb"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":7141,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2004\/10\/21\/you_dont_have_s.html","url_meta":{"origin":27017,"position":0},"title":"You don&#8217;t have standing if you don&#8217;t have legs &#8230;","author":"***Dave","date":"Thu 21-Oct-04 7:16am","format":false,"excerpt":"Okay, that was a little legal joke, but the Ninth Circuit has confirmed that whales and other cetaceans don't have the right to sue in US courts. 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