{"id":27195,"date":"2012-03-21T23:14:33","date_gmt":"2012-03-22T05:14:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/03\/21\/secrecy-and-democracy-are-incompatible.html"},"modified":"2012-03-21T23:14:33","modified_gmt":"2012-03-22T05:14:33","slug":"secrecy-and-democracy-are-incompatible","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/03\/21\/secrecy-and-democracy-are-incompatible.html","title":{"rendered":"Secrecy and Democracy are incompatible"},"content":{"rendered":"

I will grant the need for certain operational secrets, especially as those operations are going on. But …<\/p>\n

'In the letter, [Senators] Wyden and Udall reiterated their concerns about hiding the nature of the program from the American public, urging a balance between national security and government transparency. "As we see it, there is now a significant gap between what most Americans think the law allows and what the government secretly claims the law allows," Wyden and Udall wrote. "This is a problem, because it's impossible to have an informed public debate about what the law should say when the public doesn't know what its government thinks the law says."'<\/i><\/p>\n

Which, PATRIOT Act-wise, may be just what some folks like, but ultimately it's poison to a democracy. "Too Many Secrets …" #ddtb<\/p>\n

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\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tA controversial secret provision of the Patriot Act is not as vital to national security as the government claims, two Democratic senators said in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder.\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n

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I will grant the need for certain operational secrets, especially as those operations are going on. But … 'In the letter, [Senators] Wyden and Udall reiterated their concerns about hiding the nature of the program from the American public, urging a balance between national security and government transparency. 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