{"id":28047,"date":"2012-05-31T00:21:01","date_gmt":"2012-05-31T06:21:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/05\/31\/tradition-2.html"},"modified":"2012-05-31T00:21:01","modified_gmt":"2012-05-31T06:21:01","slug":"tradition-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/05\/31\/tradition-2.html","title":{"rendered":"Tradition!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>What does &quot;tradiational&quot; marriage mean? Yeah, sure, boiled down to its absolutes, the traditionalists will come up with one-man-one-woman. But as soon as you take a step beyond that &#8230; well, even in the US, there&#39;s a lot of room for different interpretations.<\/p>\n<p style='clear:both;'>\n<p style='margin-bottom:5px;'><strong>Embedded Link<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style='height:120px;width:120px;overflow:hidden;float:left;margin-top:0px;padding-top:0px;margin-right:10px;vertical-align:top;text-align:center;clear:both;'>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img style='max-width:none;' src='https:\/\/images0-focus-opensocial.googleusercontent.com\/gadgets\/proxy?container=focus&#038;gadget=a&#038;resize_h=100&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fthinkprogress.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F05%2FSSM-vs.-FCM.jpg' border='0' \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href='http:\/\/thinkprogress.org\/lgbt\/2012\/05\/30\/492611\/first-cousin-marriage-much-more-available-than-same-sex-marriage\/'>First-Cousin Marriage Much More Available Than Same-Sex Marriage<\/a><br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tConservatives use the threat of a slippery slope to incest as an argument against same-sex marriage, but they never address the fact the first cousins can actually marry in more than half of the states. The New Civil Rights Movement has produced a handy little Venn Diagram to show the comparison. It\u2019s a stunning reminder that the definition of \u201cmarriage\u201d is as inconsistent as the arguments used by those who claim to \u201cdefend\u201d it:\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n<p style='clear:both;'> <strong>Google+:<\/strong> <a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/101083456815352083930\/posts\/Uz3DGAPWoP4' target='_new'>View post on Google+<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What does &quot;tradiational&quot; marriage mean? Yeah, sure, boiled down to its absolutes, the traditionalists will come up with one-man-one-woman. But as soon as you take a step beyond that &#8230; well, even in the US, there&#39;s a lot of room for different interpretations. Embedded Link First-Cousin Marriage Much More Available Than Same-Sex Marriage Conservatives use &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/05\/31\/tradition-2.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Tradition!&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28047","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":51514,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/06\/19\/on-the-choosing-of-appropriate-terms-around-marriage-equality.html","url_meta":{"origin":28047,"position":0},"title":"On the choosing of appropriate terms around &quot;marriage equality&quot;","author":"***Dave","date":"Fri 19-Jun-15 10:41am","format":false,"excerpt":"It's not just a matter of so-called political correctness, but of conveying, accurately, what one means. 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