{"id":28349,"date":"2012-06-17T21:47:54","date_gmt":"2012-06-18T03:47:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/06\/17\/first-law-of-holes-if-you-are-in-one-stop-digging.html"},"modified":"2012-06-17T21:47:54","modified_gmt":"2012-06-18T03:47:54","slug":"first-law-of-holes-if-you-are-in-one-stop-digging","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/06\/17\/first-law-of-holes-if-you-are-in-one-stop-digging.html","title":{"rendered":"First Law of Holes; if you are in one, stop digging"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Oh, Charles Carreon, you are bringing a piece of paper to a Super-soaker fight. \u00a0Lawyers are, for reasons good or ill, &quot;rules lawyers&quot; &#8212; &quot;If I can only find the rule I can turn to my advantage, I can win.&quot; Lawyers often don&#39;t understand that there is a <i>social<\/i> component to the way we interact with one another, and if you ignore that, you will not &quot;win&quot; even if you find the right rule. I.e., you may win in a limited arena, but everyone will think you are a dick.<\/p>\n<p>Now, you can win a big judgment as a dick. \u00a0But some judges understand that social component, and are just as likely to seriously slap you down as being a dick, even if you found the right rule.<\/p>\n<p>The GM&#39;s ruling is final. As is the socialized impression of all the other players.<\/p>\n<p>(More on the quote in the title of the post here:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/wist.info\/healey-denis\/6373\/\" >http:\/\/wist.info\/healey-denis\/6373\/<\/a> )<\/p>\n<p style='clear:both;'>\n<p style='margin-bottom:5px;'><strong>Embedded Link<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style='height:120px;width:120px;overflow:hidden;float:left;margin-top:0px;padding-top:0px;margin-right:10px;vertical-align:top;text-align:center;clear:both;'>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img style='max-width:none;' src='https:\/\/images0-focus-opensocial.googleusercontent.com\/gadgets\/proxy?container=focus&#038;gadget=a&#038;resize_h=100&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popehat.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F06%2FJasperGrandpa.jpeg' border='0' \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href='http:\/\/www.popehat.com\/2012\/06\/15\/the-oatmeal-v-funnyjunk-part-iii-charles-carreons-lifetime-movie-style-dysfunctional-relationship-with-the-internet\/'>The Oatmeal v. FunnyJunk, Part III:  Charles Carreon&#39;s Lifetime-Movie-Style Dysfunctional Relationship With the Internet | Popehat<\/a><br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tIn Part One, I praised The Oatmeal&#39;s awesome response to a frivolous, censorious, thuggish demand letter from attorney Charles Carreon on behalf of FunnyJunk.\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n<p style='clear:both;'> <strong>Google+:<\/strong> <a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/101083456815352083930\/posts\/2wv2jbsUjET' target='_new'>View post on Google+<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Oh, Charles Carreon, you are bringing a piece of paper to a Super-soaker fight. \u00a0Lawyers are, for reasons good or ill, &quot;rules lawyers&quot; &#8212; &quot;If I can only find the rule I can turn to my advantage, I can win.&quot; Lawyers often don&#39;t understand that there is a social component to the way we interact &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/06\/17\/first-law-of-holes-if-you-are-in-one-stop-digging.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;First Law of Holes; if you are in one, stop digging&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28349","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":136437,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2018\/05\/14\/its-good-to-be-the-secretary-of-for-profit-education.html","url_meta":{"origin":28349,"position":0},"title":"It&#8217;s GOOD to be the Secretary of For-Profit Education!","author":"***Dave","date":"Mon 14-May-18 3:06pm","format":false,"excerpt":"It means you get to get rid of \/ reassign the folk looking into fraud at for-profit schools and provide government jobs for all your buddies at those very same institutions without any more embarrassing encounters with the investigating team at the water cooler! 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