{"id":28503,"date":"2012-07-10T09:52:23","date_gmt":"2012-07-10T15:52:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/07\/10\/verizon-tries-to-have-it-both-ways.html"},"modified":"2012-07-10T09:52:23","modified_gmt":"2012-07-10T15:52:23","slug":"verizon-tries-to-have-it-both-ways","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/07\/10\/verizon-tries-to-have-it-both-ways.html","title":{"rendered":"Verizon tries to have it both ways"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>When challenged over allegedly illegal content going over its network, Verizon claims it&#39;s a common carrier, a mere conduit that others are using. \u00a0It has no control &#8212; and it accepts the protections of the DMCA for such things.<\/p>\n<p>But when it comes to net neutrality, it&#39;s now arguing that it has a First Amendment right to &quot;editorial capability&quot; to control what people get over their Verizon Internet connection (so they can, for example, favor some sites and content over others).<\/p>\n<p>It&#39;s not clear to m how they can be both hands-off neutral and hands-on controlling and have it stand up in court (or in public).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Reshared post from +<a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/100967976499158577452'>Media Matters for America<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Verizon filed in court to try to control all the content across its wires &#8211; or more succinctly, it filed for the &quot;freedom&quot; to edit your internet.<\/p>\n<p>What do you think about that?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style='clear:both;'>\n<p style='margin-bottom:5px;'><strong>Embedded Link<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style='height:120px;width:120px;overflow:hidden;float:left;margin-top:0px;padding-top:0px;margin-right:10px;vertical-align:top;text-align:center;clear:both;'>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img style='max-width:none;' src='https:\/\/images0-focus-opensocial.googleusercontent.com\/gadgets\/proxy?container=focus&#038;gadget=a&#038;resize_h=100&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fb%2Fb3%2FGraffiti_internet.jpg' border='0' \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href='http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/blog\/2012\/07\/09\/verizon-wants-the-freedom-to-edit-your-internet\/187003'>Verizon Wants The &quot;Freedom&quot; To Edit Your Internet<\/a><\/p>\n<p style='clear:both;'> <strong>Google+:<\/strong> <a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/101083456815352083930\/posts\/51sjjstAo1d' target='_new'>View post on Google+<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When challenged over allegedly illegal content going over its network, Verizon claims it&#39;s a common carrier, a mere conduit that others are using. \u00a0It has no control &#8212; and it accepts the protections of the DMCA for such things. But when it comes to net neutrality, it&#39;s now arguing that it has a First Amendment &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/07\/10\/verizon-tries-to-have-it-both-ways.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Verizon tries to have it both ways&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28503","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":133388,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/05\/02\/verizon-net-neutrality-and-bad-metaphors.html","url_meta":{"origin":28503,"position":0},"title":"Verizon, Net Neutrality, and Bad Metaphors","author":"***Dave","date":"Tue 2-May-17 4:11pm","format":false,"excerpt":"There is absolutely no question that Verizon wants to get rid of Net Neutrality. 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