{"id":28610,"date":"2012-07-15T16:11:58","date_gmt":"2012-07-15T22:11:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/07\/15\/as-ive-said-before-death-panels-already-exist.html"},"modified":"2012-07-15T16:11:58","modified_gmt":"2012-07-15T22:11:58","slug":"as-ive-said-before-death-panels-already-exist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/07\/15\/as-ive-said-before-death-panels-already-exist.html","title":{"rendered":"As I've said before, "death panels" already exist"},"content":{"rendered":"

But they are run by private, for-profit insurance bureaucrats, unaccountable and shareholder-driven. They decide who is eligible for what sort of treatments are covered, with what sort of annual and life-time caps and with what level\u00a0of deductible. \u00a0And the vast majority of the US population is subject to them, since they are limited to what insurance companies (if any) their employers contract with, or, if unemployed, what (far costlier) private insurance they can afford.<\/p>\n

One can question the right way to solve this, or what level of medical resource rationing we should have, or what the problems of government insurance \/ care programs are. \u00a0But that the GOP leadership continues to natter on about "death panels" with the ACA demonstrate that they have very little exposure to what very real restrictions the private for-profit insurance industry imposes on its customers, and what that means to their lives.<\/p>\n

Reshared post from +George Wiman<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

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But they are run by private, for-profit insurance bureaucrats, unaccountable and shareholder-driven. 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