{"id":29815,"date":"2012-08-15T07:51:21","date_gmt":"2012-08-15T13:51:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/?p=29815"},"modified":"2012-08-15T07:51:21","modified_gmt":"2012-08-15T13:51:21","slug":"naming-my-faith-for-the-government","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/08\/15\/naming-my-faith-for-the-government.html","title":{"rendered":"Naming My Faith for the Government"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>Occasionally one runs up into things in other countries that are different from what one’s used to here in the US.<\/p>\n

For example, in the US it is unthinkable to ask someone to put their religious affiliation on a government form, or in any sort of normal employment record. \u00a0I was surprised, when we were expanding our HR system world-wide, that in Germany, for example, it was required<\/em> to track religion on the HR record. The idea was that it was necessary to track to avoid (or detect) religious discrimination cases (similar to how in the US we store info on race, which isn’t allowed in most other countries).<\/p>\n

I’m traveling to India on business next month, the first time in some years, so I’ve been doing an India visa application. And one of the questions is, “Religion,” which surprised me a bit …<\/p>\n

… though there are historic reasons why it might be sought after, and (given the large number of questions as to whether I have Pakistani relatives, I suspect it might also subject my application to greater scrutiny for some answers).<\/p>\n

Choices offered were:<\/p>\n

BAHAI
\nBUDDHISM
\nCHRISTIAN
\nHINDU
\nISLAM
\nOTHERS
\nPARSI
\nSIKH
\nZORASTRIAN [sic]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Not the choices one would see in a similar demographic survey in the US, which was also\u00a0interesting.<\/p>\n

(For the record, I put “CHRISTIAN”.)<\/p>\n

No profound conclusion here, just an observation that other folks don’t always do the same things that we do, and that our “normal” isn’t that of others.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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