{"id":3136,"date":"2002-08-05T17:16:37","date_gmt":"2002-08-05T22:16:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/?p=3136"},"modified":"2002-08-05T17:16:37","modified_gmt":"2002-08-05T22:16:37","slug":"war_and_rumors","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2002\/08\/05\/war_and_rumors.html","title":{"rendered":"War, and rumors of war"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>One of the oddities of the news for the past some-odd weeks has been the growing analysis, polling, and punditry on a US war on Iraq.<\/p>\n<p>The US, traditionally, has been reactive in war, or else has acted out of the blue.  While the first war on Iraq in &#8217;91 was deliberated and debated beforehand, it still sprang from that nation&#8217;s invasion of Kuwait and endangering of other nations in the region.  The comic opera assaults on Grenada and Panama took place without warning.  The war on Afghanistan was considered by many to be a foregone conclusion, deriving from an attack on the US.  Korea was a reaction to an attack, as was WWII.  Viet Nam was a creeping, incremental morass, a slow, undebated escalation over a period of years.<\/p>\n<p>You have to go back to pre-Pearl Harbor WWII (if not all the way back to WWI) to find a full public debate, without the apparent confines of time or immediate threat, about whether the US should go to war.<\/p>\n<p>Steven Den Beste has a brilliant series of essays on his site regarding the prospects of war on Iraq.  I won&#8217;t quote from them, and I won&#8217;t comment, but they should be required reading for anyone discussing the issue, whether they agree with such a prospective war or not.<\/p>\n<li> <a href=\"http:\/\/denbeste.nu\/cd_log_entries\/2002\/08\/Whywewereattacked.shtml\">Why America should attack, and why it&#8217;s okay<\/a>\n<li> <a href=\"http:\/\/denbeste.nu\/cd_log_entries\/2002\/08\/Measuredresponse.shtml\">The dangerous way to use military force<\/a>\n<li> <a href=\"http:\/\/denbeste.nu\/cd_log_entries\/2002\/08\/TheBushStrawman.shtml\">The Bush Doctrine and Straw Men<\/a>\n<li> <a href=\"http:\/\/denbeste.nu\/cd_log_entries\/2002\/08\/Wargaming.shtml\">The lessons of war<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of the oddities of the news for the past some-odd weeks has been the growing analysis, polling, and punditry on a US war on Iraq. 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But there's plenty of basis for criticizing the war effort without...","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Geopolitical Brouhaha&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Geopolitical Brouhaha","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/geopolitical-brouhaha"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":3795,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2003\/03\/27\/when_was_the_wa.html","url_meta":{"origin":3136,"position":1},"title":"When was the war decided upon?","author":"***Dave","date":"Thu 27-Mar-03 2:17pm","format":false,"excerpt":"There's another little mini-brouhaha blowing through about whether there was a decision to go to war with Iraq all the way back a year ago. 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