{"id":31794,"date":"2012-12-16T12:23:18","date_gmt":"2012-12-16T19:23:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/12\/16\/okay-lets-do-compare-violent-rampages-in-the-us-and-china.html"},"modified":"2012-12-18T19:10:00","modified_gmt":"2012-12-19T02:10:00","slug":"okay-lets-do-compare-violent-rampages-in-the-us-and-china","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/12\/16\/okay-lets-do-compare-violent-rampages-in-the-us-and-china.html","title":{"rendered":"Okay, let&#8217;s do compare violent rampages in the US and China"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>And I raise it largely because I&#39;ve seen it used as a defense of broadly available guns in the US. \u00a0_&quot;See, there was an attack in China, too, and the guy there was able to use a knife! So, what you gonna do, ban knives, too?&quot;_<\/p>\n<p>If you&#39;re going to compare the crimes, you need to compare the outcomes, too. And looking at the outcomes doesn&#39;t help the pro-gun case.<\/p>\n<p>You can&#39;t control the crazies (though you can certainly do better at trying to find them, and help them &#8212; that has its own slippery slopes and issues, but &#8230;). But you <i>can<\/i> try and control what the crazies have access to.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>(Note: this isn&#39;t a call to any particular solution, just pointing out a really poor defense argument I&#39;ve seen used this debate.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Reshared post from +<a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/103583939320326217147'>Koushik Dutta<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In the last few days, gun enthusiasts have pointed out and asked &quot;If gun control works, what happened in China?&quot;.<\/p>\n<p>Well, they <i><b>survived<\/b><\/i>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><\/p>\n<div><a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/photos\/103583939320326217147\/albums\/5822613171893722289\/5822613181375764338?authkey=CKiNgaierbL16wE'><img src='https:\/\/lh5.googleusercontent.com\/-thbscClxF9Y\/UM4T1sRo13I\/AAAAAAAAf64\/KGdxBqORsjQ\/303848_392000434218253_814939851_n.jpg' style='max-width:97.5%;clear:both;' border='0' \/><\/a><\/div>\n<p><span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style='clear:both;'> <strong>Google+:<\/strong> <a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/101083456815352083930\/posts\/CopyqUS6ZCt' target='_new'>View post on Google+<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>And I raise it largely because I&#39;ve seen it used as a defense of broadly available guns in the US. \u00a0_&quot;See, there was an attack in China, too, and the guy there was able to use a knife! So, what you gonna do, ban knives, too?&quot;_ If you&#39;re going to compare the crimes, you need &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/12\/16\/okay-lets-do-compare-violent-rampages-in-the-us-and-china.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Okay, let&#8217;s do compare violent rampages in the US and China&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,298],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-31794","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts","category-guns"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":31893,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2012\/12\/22\/if-only-we-could-keep-the-crazies-from-getting-guns.html","url_meta":{"origin":31794,"position":0},"title":"If only we could keep the crazies from getting guns","author":"***Dave","date":"Sat 22-Dec-12 10:56pm","format":false,"excerpt":"Except that it's hard to know who the crazies are. 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