{"id":33256,"date":"2013-04-18T08:20:25","date_gmt":"2013-04-18T14:20:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/04\/18\/our-violent-nation.html"},"modified":"2013-04-19T08:23:25","modified_gmt":"2013-04-19T14:23:25","slug":"our-violent-nation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/04\/18\/our-violent-nation.html","title":{"rendered":"Our Violent Nation"},"content":{"rendered":"
Charles Pierce draws lines between some dots — the report out this week on post-9\/11 torture and worse, and the defeat of even watered-down gun control in the Senate yesterday.<\/p>\n

'Make no mistake. That is what was determined down there this week among the bright, white buildings. There is a barbarism in the American soul and we must protect some of it by law. To root it out is to endanger our lives on the one hand, and our liberty on the other. We must tolerate the barbarism of the black sites to stay alive, and we must tolerate the occasional mass shooting in order to maintain our liberty. We will find the barbarian who killed and maimed the people along Boylston Street in Boston because his barbarism was not sanctioned, nor was it sanctified by law. That is the simple basic equation of where we are right now.'<\/i><\/div>\n

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The Violence We Live With<\/a>
\n It has been a week in which, by means subtle and overt, the national government has determined which types of violence our society must tolerate in order to remain the freest country in the world. It …\n <\/p>\n


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Charles Pierce draws lines between some dots — the report out this week on post-9\/11 torture and worse, and the defeat of even watered-down gun control in the Senate yesterday. 'Make no mistake. That is what was determined down there this week among the bright, white buildings. 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