{"id":38262,"date":"2013-07-16T06:40:46","date_gmt":"2013-07-16T12:40:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/07\/16\/the-surveillance-shell-game.html"},"modified":"2013-07-16T09:28:33","modified_gmt":"2013-07-16T15:28:33","slug":"the-surveillance-shell-game","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/07\/16\/the-surveillance-shell-game.html","title":{"rendered":"The Surveillance Shell Game"},"content":{"rendered":"
Justice Department short answer: \u00a0"It's okay to authorize these programs because their constitutionality can be challenged in court if evidence is used from them … if we'll admit to evidence actually being from such programs and don't just simply say that's a secret." \u00a0Joseph K would be impressed.<\/div>\n

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A Secret Surveillance Program Proves Challengeable in Theory Only – NYTimes.com<\/a>
\n The Obama administration says criminal defendants may have standing to challenge federal surveillance programs, but try telling that to prosecutors.\n <\/p>\n

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Justice Department short answer: \u00a0"It's okay to authorize these programs because their constitutionality can be challenged in court if evidence is used from them … if we'll admit to evidence actually being from such programs and don't just simply say that's a secret." \u00a0Joseph K would be impressed. Embedded Link A Secret Surveillance Program Proves … Continue reading “The Surveillance Shell Game”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,132],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38262","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts","category-privacy"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":51349,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/06\/03\/as-usual-the-onion-hits-disturbingly-close-to-home-nsa-edition.html","url_meta":{"origin":38262,"position":0},"title":"As usual, "The Onion" hits disturbingly close to home (NSA Edition)","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 3-Jun-15 6:05am","format":false,"excerpt":"It's times like these that I want to Fast-Forward 50 years hence and see what's happened (and what was actually happening). 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