{"id":38402,"date":"2013-08-07T15:41:38","date_gmt":"2013-08-07T21:41:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/08\/07\/trust-but-verify-only-works-if-you-can-actually-verify.html"},"modified":"2013-08-07T15:41:38","modified_gmt":"2013-08-07T21:41:38","slug":"trust-but-verify-only-works-if-you-can-actually-verify","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/08\/07\/trust-but-verify-only-works-if-you-can-actually-verify.html","title":{"rendered":"Trust but verify only works if you can actually verify"},"content":{"rendered":"
Schneier's analysis is all correct so far as it goes, and in its fundamental analysis that society doesn't work without trust<\/i> and when you get lied to too often, you simply can't trust.<\/i><\/p>\n

The problem is, there is no reliable (trustworthy) mechanism to verify that trust is well-placed in anything resembling security matters, and not only has the American public not yet shown any significant concern over security issues, but the basic check that it has on misgovernment — the vote — is overwhelmed in the number of issues (and non-issues) that vie against\u00a0security-vs-liberty as a priority. Especially when there's not a nickel's worth of difference between presidential candidates on the matter.<\/p>\n

Reshared post from +Alex Scoble<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

Bruce Schneier gets to the heart of the matter of the recent revelations of US government spying on its citizens. That our system works because of trust and once that trust has been undermined, it's very difficult to get it back.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n

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Schneier on Security: Restoring Trust in Government and the Internet<\/a>
\n Schneier on Security. A blog covering security and security technology. \u00ab Has Tor Been Compromised? | Main. August 7, 2013. Restoring Trust in Government and the Internet. In July 2012, responding to allegations that the video-chat service Skype — owned by Microsoft — was changing its …\n <\/p>\n

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Schneier's analysis is all correct so far as it goes, and in its fundamental analysis that society doesn't work without trust and when you get lied to too often, you simply can't trust. The problem is, there is no reliable (trustworthy) mechanism to verify that trust is well-placed in anything resembling security matters, and not … Continue reading “Trust but verify only works if you can actually verify”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38402","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":24249,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2011\/12\/05\/trust-but-verify-the-fact-checking.html","url_meta":{"origin":38402,"position":0},"title":"Trust but verify the fact-checking","author":"***Dave","date":"Mon 5-Dec-11 4:31pm","format":false,"excerpt":"There's been a significant rise over the last decade of \"fact-checking\" organizations and newspaper columns, etc. I consider this, largely, a very good thing, and they are often convenient sources of corrective information regarding the claims of the politicians, punditry, and the partisan media.That said, while Mark Twain may have\u2026","rel":"","context":"In "~PlusPosts"","block_context":{"text":"~PlusPosts","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/blogging\/plusposts"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":38422,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/08\/09\/trust-but-verify.html","url_meta":{"origin":38402,"position":1},"title":"Trust, but Verify","author":"***Dave","date":"Fri 9-Aug-13 6:24am","format":false,"excerpt":"As Reagan used to say. 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