{"id":3865,"date":"2003-03-20T10:20:45","date_gmt":"2003-03-20T15:20:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/?p=3865"},"modified":"2003-03-20T10:20:45","modified_gmt":"2003-03-20T15:20:45","slug":"r_e_s_p_e_c_t_3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2003\/03\/20\/r_e_s_p_e_c_t_3.html","title":{"rendered":"R-E-S-P-E-C-T?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I have no problem with individuals, even school teachers, being free to participate as citizens of this nation, particularly in dissent.  Really.  I may disagree with your drivel, but I&#8217;ll defend to the death your right to, er, drivel it.<\/p>\n<p>I do have problems with teachers dragging their kids into the debate.  I also have problems with token gestures that aren&#8217;t really all that meaningful.<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">I have a BIG sign saying &#8220;President Bush: How many people did you kill today? I am going to work tomorrow teaching first grade, but I will stand on a main street with my sign for 1\/2 an hour before I go to work. I quit saying the pledge of allegiance a couple of weeks ago. I told the kids that until my government says that it will not drop bombs on children, I will not say the pledge. I respectfully face the flag, standing while those who with to say it do so.<\/p>\n<p>One, if I found out Katherine&#8217;s teacher had told her kids, &#8220;I won&#8217;t be saying the Pledge until my government says it will not drop bombs on children,&#8221; I&#8217;d be all over the principal like a cheap suit.  Make political statatements, hold up signs on Main St., send all your paycheck to ANSWER, whatever, that&#8217;s your right.  Political propagandizing to first graders?  That&#8217;s <i>not <\/i>your right.<\/p>\n<p>(And I&#8217;d feel the same way, at least philosophically, if she were saying, &#8220;The French helped us in the Revolutionary War, but now they&#8217;re slimy weasels who are jealous of American power.&#8221;)<\/p>\n<p>More importantly, what&#8217;s up with <i>I told the kids that until my government says that it will not drop bombs on children, I will not say the pledge. I respectfully face the flag, standing while those who with to say it do so.<\/i>  You&#8217;ll &#8220;respectfully&#8221; face the flag, standing, but you won&#8217;t say the Pledge?  I&#8217;m not sure I understand the statement you&#8217;re making here.  Are you respecting the kids?  How?  Respecting the flag?  I thought the point was that you didn&#8217;t, at least to the point of pledging allegience to the flag, and to the Republic.  <\/p>\n<p>I just don&#8217;t get it.<\/p>\n<p><small>(via <a href=\"http:\/\/www.asmallvictory.net\/archives\/002959.html\">A Small Victory<\/a>, who doesn&#8217;t have a link, but cites Indymedia)<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have no problem with individuals, even school teachers, being free to participate as citizens of this nation, particularly in dissent. Really. 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