{"id":39612,"date":"2013-11-07T19:12:17","date_gmt":"2013-11-08T02:12:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/11\/07\/we-dont-serve-their-kind-here.html"},"modified":"2014-11-05T14:13:39","modified_gmt":"2014-11-05T21:13:39","slug":"we-dont-serve-their-kind-here","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2013\/11\/07\/we-dont-serve-their-kind-here.html","title":{"rendered":""We don't serve their kind here""},"content":{"rendered":"
If the Civil Rights Act had \u00a0a "any individual or business who feels, from a religious motivation, that they cannot serve people of a protected class — woman, blacks, Jews — then they are exempt from its provisions" clause … blacks would still be on the back of the bus, Jews would still be banished from the public country club, and women couldn't get a job in a lot of workplaces.<\/p>\n

If someone can tell me why protection for gays is significantly\u00a0different from protection for women, Jews, the elderly, blacks, Catholics … I'd love to hear it. Because all of those groups — hell, pretty much every<\/i> group you can pin a label on — has been on the outs in some religious-based opinion or another. Letting someone run a public business and exclude gay customers because it makes them feel icky and God told them not to is no different from doing the same for Mormon customers, mixed-race couple customers, or Irish customers. No different.<\/i> \u00a0<\/p>\n

Only the target varies, and if you let one group be a target, then every group is a target.<\/p>\n

Reshared post from +George Wiman<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

Illinois' new gay-marriage law "protects" churches from having to officiate same-sex marriages. But the Chicago Tribune worries; " similar safeguards aren't spelled out for pastry chefs, florists, photographers and other vendors who, based on religious convictions, might not want to share a gay couple's wedding day."<\/p>\n

Equality in public accommodations, jokers… look it up. If you want to run a church, then run a church. Otherwise serving the public means serving the public.\u00a0<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n

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Religious protections on gay marriage in doubt<\/a>
\n Illinois’ gay marriage bill that awaits the governor’s signature doesn’t force religious clergy to officiate at same-sex weddings or compel churches to open their doors for ceremonies. But similar safeguards aren’t spelled out for pastry chefs, florists, photographers and other vendors who, based on religious convictions, might not want to share a gay couple’s wedding day.\n <\/p>\n

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If the Civil Rights Act had \u00a0a "any individual or business who feels, from a religious motivation, that they cannot serve people of a protected class — woman, blacks, Jews — then they are exempt from its provisions" clause … blacks would still be on the back of the bus, Jews would still be banished … Continue reading “"We don't serve their kind 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