{"id":41251,"date":"2014-03-01T09:56:51","date_gmt":"2014-03-01T16:56:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/03\/01\/freedom-for-the-goose-is-freedom-for-the-gander.html"},"modified":"2014-03-03T09:58:18","modified_gmt":"2014-03-03T16:58:18","slug":"freedom-for-the-goose-is-freedom-for-the-gander","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/03\/01\/freedom-for-the-goose-is-freedom-for-the-gander.html","title":{"rendered":"Freedom for the Goose is Freedom for the Gander"},"content":{"rendered":"
Part of me objects to these sorts of examples as drumming up fear about "those crazy Muslims" and how they would "abuse" religious freedom-to-discriminate laws by "bringing Sharia Law" to our blessed shores, etc., etc., etc. Because, really, the last thing we need is more people fearmongering about "the Muslims."<\/p>\n

On the other hand, it is<\/i>\u00a0\u00a0probably worthwhile reminding legislators (et al.) that such bills aren't (indeed, cannot be) limited solely to Right-Thinking and Godly True Christians(TM), but can be used by anyone<\/i> who can claim a sincerely-held\u00a0religious belief as a means of turning down commercial transactions. That's not the only reason objecting to such laws, but it may deflate a few of the arguments behind such proposals.\ufeff<\/div>\n

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To Kill a Religious Freedom Bill, Don\u2019t Warn People About Christians. Warn Them About Muslims.<\/a>
\n If you want to kill legislation that protects the right of Christians to withhold business services from same-sex couples, here\u2019s one way to do it: Don\u2019t warn people about Christians. Warn them about Muslims. That strategy was on display in the campaign against Arizona Senate Bill 1062, which would have…\n <\/p>\n

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Part of me objects to these sorts of examples as drumming up fear about "those crazy Muslims" and how they would "abuse" religious freedom-to-discriminate laws by "bringing Sharia Law" to our blessed shores, etc., etc., etc. Because, really, the last thing we need is more people fearmongering about "the Muslims." On the other hand, it … Continue reading “Freedom for the Goose is Freedom for the Gander”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,109,350,25,378],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-41251","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts","category-church-state","category-civil-liberties","category-gay-stuff","category-intolerance-persecution"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":129113,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/12\/14\/the-founding-fathers-and-islam.html","url_meta":{"origin":41251,"position":0},"title":"The Founding Fathers and Islam","author":"***Dave","date":"Mon 14-Dec-15 12:57pm","format":false,"excerpt":"Islam and how proposals of religious freedom for the young America would affect Muslims (and other outr\u00e9 non-mainstream-Protestant believers like Jews and Catholics) came up repeatedly during the debates around the Constitution. 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